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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers]QUESTION: Mimara's Child/Children
« on: August 14, 2017, 10:39:09 am »
I think the child was stillborn because the No God was resurrected in between the two births.
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The Unholy Consult / Re: TUC - Moments that cut to the visceral quick
« on: August 12, 2017, 01:13:44 pm »
There were many such moments. To mention a few:
When Akka kneels, as foreseen at the end of TTT.
When Malowebi forgives Likaro.
When Sorweel becomes the White Luck Warrior (it took me a while to realise what had happened)
When Akka kneels, as foreseen at the end of TTT.
When Malowebi forgives Likaro.
When Sorweel becomes the White Luck Warrior (it took me a while to realise what had happened)
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The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO Spoilers] Why did he return?
« on: September 09, 2016, 07:52:42 pm »This.I think when Malowebi asks Meppa what he is and he replys, "Weary". Says a lot about Kellhus's human nature.
You might be reading too much into this. When he returns to Momemn in The Judging Eye (or was it WLW?) to see Psatma Nannaferi, he's exhausted purely because of the exertion of travelling that distance by teleportation. And that journey was much shorter. I think he was simply tired because of that.
While that is plausible, why say "weary" when he meant "tired" or "exhausted." No, to me weary has a whole different connotation than either of those others and so it seems wholly reasonable to draw the inference that MSJ did from his choice of words. Being weary isn't just being tired.
Also, I'm not buying anything we see of Kellhus that doesn't come from his own POV. He never stops dissembling. Ever. And we as readers only get the perspective of the POV character, only ever able to *guess* at what's really going on in his head even after 6 books.
ETA: also, Kellhus want really tired after travelling in TJE. He just pretended to be too manipulate Esme. He always makes an effort to appear at least somewhat human with her so that she will stay in her place.
You are the fist that beats us.
Well, you're contradicting yourself in your own response. Your saying Kellhus faked Bering tired to Esme when he travelled all the way from the Ordeal. Yet, weary, just means tired when he travels back in TGO. Kellhus has never seemed "tired" at anytime I can recall, he is superhuman. He is weary because of the twists, turns and constant head games he has to play, in order to reach his goal. There are bits and pieces throughout TSA that show that Kellhus had these emotions and are what motivate him, he just doesn't ruminate on them because he doesn't think he should have them. One question? If Kellhus didn't care, why wouldn't he just say the he'll with everyone else's soul and join the Consult? He wouldn't need an Ordeal, he could reduce Earwa population on his own with his army and schoolmen. He's weary because he has a job to do for humanity, that no matter how awful it seems now, no matter how many dead fall in his wake, he will accomplish a world without the Consult and the certainty of damnation. He's weary!
I think you've misread the responses here, MSJ. It was me who said Kellhus was merely tired, not Yellow.
All Kellhus needs is to put his feet up for a while with a nice cup of tea.
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The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO Spoilers] Why did he return?
« on: September 09, 2016, 01:19:38 pm »I think when Malowebi asks Meppa what he is and he replys, "Weary". Says a lot about Kellhus's human nature.
You might be reading too much into this. When he returns to Momemn in The Judging Eye (or was it WLW?) to see Sharacinth, he's exhausted purely because of the exertion of travelling that distance by teleportation. And that journey was much shorter. I think he was simply tired because of that.
*EDIT: Original post said Pstama Nannaferi - I meant Sharacinth
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The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO SPOILERS] Kellhus/Bakker
« on: September 09, 2016, 08:39:09 am »
From reviews I've read of the SA, a lot of people slate it because of the status of women in the books. Never mind that it's an accurate reflection of the way the world used to be, and still is in some places. If it ever makes it onto TV, I imagine there would be some politically correct editing, to introduce some strong female characters. The mainstream audience must be catered for, and they love their Arya Starks.
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The Great Ordeal / Re: The Great Ordeal - Story and Writing Style
« on: August 31, 2016, 11:33:48 am »
OK, I'll give you that one. I stick by the more general statement though - authors shouldn't necessarily use language that makes their work easier to understand. Their main aim should be to make it interesting.
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The Great Ordeal / Re: The Great Ordeal - Story and Writing Style
« on: August 31, 2016, 10:21:06 am »Bakker stepped up the archaic language this time. That is bound to be a big hindrance to non-native speakers. Kind of annoys me when authors do that. If "Sooth" wasn't in the vocabulary at the start why should it be now?
I don't agree. If he was writing some public information or something then yes, he should use plain English. But he's writing fiction, so he can use whatever language he wants to. Indeed, part of the appeal of his work for me is the unusual language - it makes it seem more mysterious.
And surely you don't really believe that he shouldn't introduce new words just because they haven't already appeared?
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General Misc. / Re: Here's an interesting riddle
« on: August 25, 2016, 12:27:43 pm »You know, riddles don't traditionally have an incredibly mathy answer. Indeed that's usually the trap option. Usually they are supposed to be able to be answered by common knowledge - that's what makes them a challenge to everyone and not just a specialist few. It seems odd to me to have one with a very mathy answer
Yes, I think of riddles as language-based puzzles, so I wouldn't actually call any of the questions posed here a riddle.
Here's a video - the customer is a bit(?) bitchy but he has a point : https://youtu.be/HFJlgrtpGZY?t=89
I can't say I will never have a dyslexic (or is it dyscalculic?) moment. But the manager saying they definitely recognizes the difference between half a dollar and half a cent, but says they plainly don't recognize a difference between $0.002 and 0.002 cents - that's (waaaait for it!) priceless.
Brilliant! I'm glad she said "I'm not a mathematician", I would never have guessed.
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General Misc. / Re: Here's an interesting riddle
« on: August 24, 2016, 01:53:54 pm »I don't know what a perfect clock is. Does that mean that the gears are independent and the gears are infinitely small so that the hand swings perfectly without pause?
Yes.
Well, I don't do math, but shouldn't this be solvable by graphing the fiction of degrees of the hour hand versus time and the degrees of the minute hand by time?This is another way of doing it. The answers are the same as mine.(click to show/hide)
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General Misc. / Re: Here's an interesting riddle
« on: August 23, 2016, 08:30:40 pm »
I believe you have done yourself a disservice, Wilshire. I checked this earlier and you had the correct answer, but now you've edited it to be incorrect.
The point is that although it seems obvious, there's an easy trap to fall into. You avoided the trap but then jumped right back in it! One of your proposed options is bogus.
The precise time at which the hands cross is a more interesting question, mathematically. I believe the answer is
The point is that although it seems obvious, there's an easy trap to fall into. You avoided the trap but then jumped right back in it! One of your proposed options is bogus.
The precise time at which the hands cross is a more interesting question, mathematically. I believe the answer is
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General Misc. / Re: Here's an interesting riddle
« on: August 23, 2016, 01:52:44 pm »Quote
Anyway, have you ever done programming? You can often describe in a single sentence what it takes a page or several pages of code to do in a program. Why would that be so if shorter versions describe things in a better way?
Agreed. It works the other way as well - sometimes writing something in code is far more illuminating than writing it in text. So one can't judge the worth of an explanation on length alone.
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we are trying to make it "more precise" - which I interpreted as more easily leads the reader to the answer.
I would define "more precise" as "less open to misinterpretation by somebody knowledgeable about the subject". For example, jargon usually makes things more precise, but only for the people who know what it means. This leads to a difficulty with a question like this, where in my opinion the most precise way of presenting it is in simultaneous equation form, which would make it harder to understand for some people. So my conclusion is that precision is not necessarily desirable when you're describing something to a general audience.
Anyway, to freshen this thread up a bit, here's the next puzzle in the series:
At 12 o'clock, the two hands of an analogue clock are pointing at the same place. Question: excluding noon and midnight themselves, how many times between noon and midnight do the two hands point to the same place?
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The Great Ordeal / [TGO SPOILERS] Momas Almighty
« on: August 19, 2016, 01:09:07 pm »
There's a reference to "Momas Almighty", some kind of a deity, on page 460. Any relation to Kelmomas? Perhaps there's an ancient language in which "Momas" literally means God? Perhaps Kel Momas (or Cel Momas) has a meaning? The fact that it comes very close to the reveal that the White Luck Warrior is blind to Kelmomas made me think there was some significance to it.
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The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO SPOILERS] Music for TGO
« on: August 19, 2016, 11:14:09 am »
Cnaiur's rage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5idEAUychpc
(Manowar - House of Death)
Oirunas confronts Nin'ciljaras
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y2YeWZf2hI
(Virgin Steele - Great Sword of Flame)
Serwa captive in the dungeons of Ishterebinth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xgeeIPslKA
(Virgin Steele - Iphigenia in Hades)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5idEAUychpc
(Manowar - House of Death)
Oirunas confronts Nin'ciljaras
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y2YeWZf2hI
(Virgin Steele - Great Sword of Flame)
Serwa captive in the dungeons of Ishterebinth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xgeeIPslKA
(Virgin Steele - Iphigenia in Hades)
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The Great Ordeal / [TGO SPOILERS] Head on a pole
« on: August 19, 2016, 10:19:46 am »
I'm not greatly interested in philosophy, so some of the things in Bakker's books go right over my head. The worst example of this was the whole "head on a pole" section. Can anyone give me any explanation of what it means?
Apologies if this has already been covered, I finished TGO last night and have only been through some of the old threads so far.
Apologies if this has already been covered, I finished TGO last night and have only been through some of the old threads so far.
