Mini-runnaway Aporos explosion caused the anarcane ground. What else could it be

I'm of the mind that the Anarcane Ground was no accident.  It was done to protect the Mansion from the Quya.  What they probably didn't anticipate was the reaction it caused with the Ishroi, who probably just used physical force to remove them from there.  There is little doubt this would have been at the behest of the Quya though.

Mind you, that is all totally made up, but seems more plausible to me than an accident.

I've read that book twice and somehow never noticed that. I thought Akka bested the demon which flew away before he passed out?

But the thing was upon him, a raving nightmare, hammering and clawing, blows that cracked the stone about her, that brought blood to her nose. Wards buckled and fractured. Achamian called out great concussions and the demon’s head was battered. Horns snapped. Spider-eyes ruptured light.
Its assault became a frenzy, a jerking blur of violence, until it seemed hell itself tore and gnashed at his gates.
Achamian staggered, blinked white-burning eyes, cried out—
An instant of wasted voice.
Rats screamed through its exultant roar. Achamian falling, his mouth working. The closing of dragon claws …
Achamian falling.

The Ciphrang had sailed drunken across the skies, shrieking at the pinch of the needle world. Hanging from its claws, Achamian glimpsed lines and blots that were warring men, and the smudge of a burning city. The thing’s blood trailed earthward, burning like naphtha.
The ground spiralled closer and closer …
He awoke scarcely alive, breathing dust he could not lick from his teeth. With the one eye he could open, he saw sand cupped about the base of waving reeds. He heard the sea—the Meneanor Sea—pounding nearby shores.

1 year doesnt seem like quite enough time, but not impossible. How close was Celmomas' death to where the Dunyain originally were.

It does, however, seem unlikley that they were stumbling around the wasted north without any purpose and managed to find Ishual with no indication that it actually existed. Why else would they be traveling towards Golgotterath and not farther away...

Regarding Asimov and The Foundation, I agree. But if Ishual is in fact the Foundation, who then was the 2nd? There must be an anlogue to complete the allusion imo. Maybe the Cishaurim?

My theory would be that the Mandate is the First Foundation, Dunyain the Second.  Of course, it is different in it's way, but similar in intent.

I think a year is probably more than enough time to get the Dunyain there, since I feel confident that Seswatha had planned this long before Cel was dead.  In fact, he probably planned it not long after Cel gives him the map.  Only Ses and Cel know where Ishual is and since Cel is dead, it's unlikely he both created the Dunyain and Ishual, or else why not have them there the whole time?

No, to me Cel's plan was that Ganrelka II would go there and they would live and use the "seeds" there to continue the line.  He couldn't know about the plague.  Indeed, there is a good question of if the plague was even 'natural' in this case.

It had to be Seswatha sending the Dunyain to Ishual in my mind.

Considering the circumstances we see of Seswatha hanging on the Wall, he had to have somehow sweet-talked Mek into letting him go.  What leverage would he have had though?

It also seems to me that he was sleeping with Celomomas' wife as a way of manipulating him too though.  Perhaps that is reading too far into it, but are we to believe Ses actually loved her?

My feeling though is that somehow Seswatha is "playing all the sides against the middle."  What I don't know is, what is the middle in this case?  Mutual annihilation?  What is all this misdirection playing out toward?

Lets pretend that Ses did send the Dunyain to Ishual, the two things we know about Ishual that are special is it's secret location and it's status as Cel's "seed bank."  I don't think either of those are incidental in them being sent there.   It would seem to be that Ses is setting up to try to make the Celmomian Prophecy true.  He sets up a group to make sure the Anisurimbor line is continued.  He sets up a group to constantly carry the word of the prophecy forward (the Mandate).  He knows the Consult will always be there.

Why do this?  I think Seswatha wants the Second Apocalypse to happen.  I think the misdirection is that everyone is trying so hard to prevent an outcome, that they are unwittingly actually causing it to happen.  If the Second Apocalypse is the Semantic Apocalypse, Earwa is set to lose all that "makes it special."  I think this is Seswatha's end-game, no one will win, the game itself will be destroyed.

Not sure if any of that is lucid enough to make real sense...

Something crazy is going to happen with Meppa.  I don't know what exactly, but I feel it's got to be something.

I think that is fair analysis and also the most probable explanation.

One question though would be, what is the meaningfulness of the disagreement between the Saga, claiming Aulisi returned and the Mandate, claiming she did not?

The most simple explanation would probably be that the Sagas just want Nau to seem more heroic.  I can't help but feel there is more too it though.

Quote from: locke on May 04, 2015, 05:01:10 am

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lmao. rip :/

I'm not up on my bible catechisms, whats the rest of the story, or at least the context. Maybe some insight on where Akka/kellhus/schoolmen will end up?

Yeah, I meant to do that:

The Pharisees and Sadducees came to Jesus and tested him by asking him to show them a sign from heaven.

2 He replied, “When evening comes, you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red,’ 3 and in the morning, ‘Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times. 4 A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.” Jesus then left them and went away.
The Yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees

5 When they went across the lake, the disciples forgot to take bread. 6 “Be careful,” Jesus said to them. “Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.”

7 They discussed this among themselves and said, “It is because we didn’t bring any bread.”

8 Aware of their discussion, Jesus asked, “You of little faith, why are you talking among yourselves about having no bread? 9 Do you still not understand? Don’t you remember the five loaves for the five thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered? 10 Or the seven loaves for the four thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered? 11 How is it you don’t understand that I was not talking to you about bread? But be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” 12 Then they understood that he was not telling them to guard against the yeast used in bread, but against the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
Peter Declares That Jesus Is the Messiah

13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”

14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.
Jesus Predicts His Death

21 From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.

22 Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”

23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

24 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 25 For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it. 26 What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul? 27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

28 “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”