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And the Nonman King cried words that sting: “Now to me you must confess, For death above you hovers!” And the Emissary answered ever wary: “We are the race of flesh, We are the race of lovers.”—“ BALLAD OF THE INCHOROI,” ANCIENT KÛNIÜRI FOLK SONG Early Winter, 4110 Year-of-the-Tusk, Sumna

IMHO, this is another clue that its Aurax. Another thing I believe it gives hint to is that the dialogue in chapter 9, is going to be between a Nonman (Esme, who I believe has a drop of it in her blood) and a Inchoroi. These prefaces to each chapter always seem to put them in context or offer clues. Or, as usual, MSJ could just be going down the rabbit hole. ;D

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Well, we have (most probably) seen Aurax though and it's not with the Synthese.  He's the one at the end of WP that is "interrogating" those people and asking "Who are the Dunyain?"

Yes, I thought about that too. But with Aurang's body back in Golgoterreath, he was only able to possess Esme, I imagine you'd need a physical form to pull off a glamour, hence Aurax.

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OK, here's my new pet theory. I believe who visited Esme was not Aurang, but Aurax. The description on the slapping of the wings, he was in glamour. See Aurang could only posses Esme later on in the books. I believe Aurax travelled personally to Esme to find out what Akka exactly knows. Also, I really dont believe we have never seen Aurax before. He lifted his glamour when flying out the window, hence the arid slap of wings, which I dont think would be heard from a Synethse. I dont believe that we wouldn't have seen Aurax yet throughout the books.

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Locke, could you please elaborate? I have no idea what reference your speaking about. No, as in its not Gilgoal inhabiting Cnaüir?

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I just found it ironic, Conphas calls him old father, and indeed he is a product of the old father's.

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H, and right before Skeaös leads him up the stairs and Conphas is trying to get him to succumb to the clutch, Conphas says,

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He stood and looked down on the wizened man. “Lead on, old father.

There are just too many references to the Consult in there. Plus, the fact that Skeaös isn't winded at all, and lies to Conphas. Its pretty clear he is a Skin-Spy now.

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Wilshire, right before the "I am your end" speech, which as a Cnaüir fan is the greatest, I noticed something. When Yursalka first spots Cnaüir outside the yaksh.

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Incandescent white cracked the sky, and for an instant , he saw the entire world: the desolate horizon, the sweep
of distant pastures, the surrounding yaksh of his kinsmen, and the lone figure standing not more than a dozen yards away, watching...

While this might be nothing other than descriptive purposes, any other time its been used to describe sorcery. I have to wonder if this is the first time Cnaüir was inhabited by Gilgoal.

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Yea, I believe Istriya has been replaced since weve met her. And, I tend to think your earlier assessment that Skeaös was replaced right before Conphas came back from Kiyuth, to be accurate. From that point on he is no longer in agreement with everything Xerius says and wants. Here in Chapter 7 its evident, because he didn't agree with giving up the Vulgar HW. Why Not? Its what's best for the Empire, Conphas see's the brilliance in it. No, he's a Skin-Spy, and wants nothing short of making it to Shimeh and the Cishaurim. But, as you say, its very evident in the next chapter.

ETA: ahhhhhh, you're right. After reading your quote again, Skeaös was in agreement with Xerius. Xerius was lying about that, never caught that.

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I am thinking that the Consult probably didn't realize how dangerous Xerius could be, in the sense that he would be so greedy in subverting the Holy War and also that Mallahet (Moe) would completely out think them by going direct to Xerius.

Yea, the Consult's problems always go back to the Dûnyain. And, on reread Xerius is a smarter, shrewder leader than I gave him credit for. He obviously has multiple reasons to be paranoid other than family history. Skin-Spies notwithstanding, you have Conphas that was going to kill him and Xerius planned for that outcome.

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Lol, I just edited my post to the same effect. Ninja'd!!

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H, you could very well be right about Skeaös, but, from the first time we meet Istriya there are hints the something is different. Here is what Xerius said the first time we meet her.

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He sensed something odd in her manner, something bottled.

When Conphas comes back from Kiyuth:

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A splendid idea, Uncle.” Conphas glanced to his right and finally saw his grandmother. She wore a green silk gown crisscrossed by a form-hugging sash of blue. As always, she looked an old whore playing the coquette. But there was something in her expression . She seemed different somehow.

So both times something is different about Istriya, enough that it is remarked upon. Also, she doesn't seem to be on the same side as Xerius and Skeaös in that first meeting. She's against the Indenture and is prodding Xerius with Maithenet.

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Now it suddenly struck him (Xerius) that he’d never looked into any of their eyes—not once. Matching the Emperor’s gaze was forbidden to those without Imperial Blood. The thought horrified him. Save for Skeaos, I know none of these people.


I now remember noticing this bit on my first read, thinking that this must be significant, and then forgetting it. But on rereading, the revelation that Xerius has been isolated from his entire court besides "Skeaos" is beatifully ominous.


And his mother, who is a Skin-Spy also. Until Kellhus they had the entire Three-Seas under control, High Ainon, Nansur, Sarcellus in Carythusal and throughout Kian too before Moe. The Dûnyain really screwed up their plans, to say the least.

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Stung by a momentary panic, Xerius looked from the approaching Conriyans to the flutter of wings above. As always, sparrows wheeled and jousted beneath the dim vaults. As always, they calmed him. For a moment he wondered what an emperor was to a sparrow. Just another man.

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Something warm and viscous struck his cheek. Stunned, he slapped at his face, then studied the muck on his fingers. A premonition of doom struck him, gouged his breast of all breath. What was this? Some kind of omen?

Just knowing that the Consult is literally everywhere, when I read these passages, a thought struck me. Aurang (as a Synethse) is among those birds, and I'm fairly certain he shat on Xerius for his dumbass Indenture. We find out that the Consult want the Cishaurim destroyed and Aurang probably wants it done quickly. This isn't even crackpot, just what I think every time I read this scene.

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As though walking across the back of roiling smoke and dust, a Schoolman drifted toward them. He slowed, floating the height of a tree-top above them. His black silk robe boiled in the mountain wind, its gold trim undulating like snakes in water. White light flashed from his eyes and mouth. A barrage of arrows winked into cinders against his spherical Wards. The ghost of a dragon’s head ponderously ascended from his hands. Cnaiür saw glassy scales and eyes like globes of bloody water.

The first time I read this series, this passage is what got me hooked. It was unlike anything I'd read before, and was struck by terror and wonder all at the same time. I love this description of a Earwan schoolman.

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Huh, I never made the Chephrunni connection. That's obviously the obvious choice for who it would be. I dont believe the Skin-Spy was trying to frame Akka in anyway. That was a pretext for the SS to take Akka. Though, they clearly believed it to be true. Crazy how so many factions are being played and fooled all at once, it makes the upcoming books that much more intriguing.

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Camlost, do you think its ok if we start the thread for Part II? I'm probably getting ahead of things though.

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