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Title: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Triskele on August 04, 2017, 04:36:58 am
I thought that it might be fun to get a list of all mentions of the works of Emilidis in one place.  The appendix entry does not contain a list.  I know that several are mentioned though I think that it may be many more than I'm remembering. 

I'll mention a few to start, and I hope it goes without saying that none of you would blaspheme the Artisan.

The Diurnal or Day Lantern from the False Sun

The collar that Harapior throws on Serwa

The sword, I know it's named but can't recall it, that Serwa takes after Mishoa gets eaten by Skuthula.

Chipmonk? 

ETA:  And of course the Cauldron.

What else?
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Cnaiür vs Karsa vs Drogo on August 04, 2017, 05:12:41 am
The barricades

The crazy ass gravity armor the red dude was wearing

5 Other flaming swords
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Moosehunter on August 04, 2017, 09:28:23 am
The barricades

The crazy ass gravity armor the red dude was wearing

5 Other flaming swords

The Immaculate Rim. I enjoyed it's description when the Red Ghoul was slaughtering Sranc.
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: TLEILAXU on August 04, 2017, 10:44:00 am
The sword, I know it's named but can't recall it, that Serwa takes after Mishoa gets eaten by Skuthula.
Isiramulis!
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Hiro on August 04, 2017, 10:51:51 am
The barricades

The crazy ass gravity armor the red dude was wearing

5 Other flaming swords

The Immaculate Rim. I enjoyed it's description when the Red Ghoul was slaughtering Sranc.

Yup, he should have come around more often. ;)
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: ThoughtsOfThelli on August 04, 2017, 12:35:41 pm
Don't forget the Amiolas, everyone. :P
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Madness on August 04, 2017, 02:03:49 pm
The Nimil cloak Mimara pilfered from the Coffers along with Chipmunk, too. Sunskin, was it?
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: JRControl on August 04, 2017, 04:51:00 pm
I'd even say he even re-built the Carapace/Sarcophagus for Them. How else did he gleam the secrets of the aporos?
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Likaro on August 04, 2017, 05:26:39 pm
Fantasy nerds love their magical items and weaponry but Bakker waited quite late to start introducing a lot of this stuff but better late than never.

I'm still not sure how Sujara Nins armor worked?

I do wonder why Emilidis was in Golgotterath (and died there apparently) if Skuthula spoke true. He also called him "Cunny"........that would make me wonder if Emilidis was a woman but he couldn't be because of the Womb Plague right?
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Duskweaver on August 04, 2017, 06:52:02 pm
I'm still not sure how Sujara Nins armor worked?
Seems to play around with gravity, or perhaps momentum, redirecting those around it to literally fall directly away from it.

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He also called him "Cunny"........that would make me wonder if Emilidis was a woman but he couldn't be because of the Womb Plague right?
Uh... no, the dragon was just boasting that he'd fucked Emilidis. To the Weapon Races, pretty much everything is Cunny.
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Likaro on August 04, 2017, 06:59:26 pm
So...dragons have dicks too?

Thats a new one.
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: SmilerLoki on August 04, 2017, 07:03:12 pm
Even dragons can dream, you know!
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Wilshire on August 04, 2017, 07:10:51 pm
So...dragons have dicks too?

Thats a new one.

Welp, rules of the internet, or close enough. Certainly not a new phenomenon.

NSFW btw:
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Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: MSJ on August 04, 2017, 07:34:48 pm
What i find amazing is from the EG. That all of Emilidis works are immune to chorae. Thats just amazing.
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: MSJ on August 04, 2017, 07:37:44 pm
@Duskweaver and all else. I loved the Dragon/Serwa fight scene compared to alot of others. But, man, Cunny? Who in the fucking world says Cunny? It almost ruines it for me.
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Duskweaver on August 04, 2017, 08:21:39 pm
So...dragons have dicks too?
Thats a new one.
I'm pretty sure all the Weapon Races do. Even female sranc seem to be so endowed (it's stated in the EG that "no outward physical differences are readily visible" between male and female sranc unless the females are pregnant).
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: ThoughtsOfThelli on August 04, 2017, 09:51:19 pm
I'm pretty sure all the Weapon Races do. Even female sranc seem to be so endowed (it's stated in the EG that "no outward physical differences are readily visible" between male and female sranc unless the females are pregnant).

Maybe female Sranc have genitalia similar to that of female hyenas?
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: H on August 07, 2017, 11:36:23 am
What i find amazing is from the EG. That all of Emilidis works are immune to chorae. Thats just amazing.

Perhaps the implication is that, since Chorae undue paradox, that somehow Emilidis was able to make things that "weren't paradoxical."  (Whatever the hell that means.)
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: SmilerLoki on August 07, 2017, 01:53:57 pm
What i find amazing is from the EG. That all of Emilidis works are immune to chorae. Thats just amazing.

Perhaps the implication is that, since Chorae undue paradox, that somehow Emilidis was able to make things that "weren't paradoxical."  (Whatever the hell that means.)
Or he invented highly effective techniques to counter the impact of paradox on sorcery. For example, one proposed way to combat Chorae is to trap within an object souls that would constantly cast and recast Cants.
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Woden on August 07, 2017, 01:59:49 pm
I'm pretty sure all the Weapon Races do. Even female sranc seem to be so endowed (it's stated in the EG that "no outward physical differences are readily visible" between male and female sranc unless the females are pregnant).

Maybe female Sranc have genitalia similar to that of female hyenas?

It sounds probably.

The skin-spies sex is also confused. Hermaphrodites maybe?
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Duskweaver on August 07, 2017, 05:31:10 pm
The skin-spies sex is also confused. Hermaphrodites maybe?
Skin-spy sex is one of the things in this series I still have less than zero idea about. I still don't get how Ikurei Xerius could be having sex with Istriya-spy for years without ever noticing she had a penis.

But it certainly seems like the Inchoroi just like sticking penises on everything.
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Wilshire on August 07, 2017, 05:36:12 pm
Kelmomas mentions something about the skin spy reaching out with a man's hands. I assume, retcon or not, that the implication is that all skin-spies are male gendered, just with female faces and a slender build perhaps.

Xerius though ... really throws a wrench into things. He wasn't privy to young lads, I think we only saw women in this custody, so yeah not sure how he could have missed that... Unless it was the first time skin-spy Istriya tried that? Though the book makes more sense with her being replaced a long while ago, so yeah who knows.
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: H on August 07, 2017, 05:38:59 pm
The skin-spies sex is also confused. Hermaphrodites maybe?
Skin-spy sex is one of the things in this series I still have less than zero idea about. I still don't get how Ikurei Xerius could be having sex with Istriya-spy for years without ever noticing she had a penis.

But it certainly seems like the Inchoroi just like sticking penises on everything.

We don't actually know just when Istriya was replaced though.

I once floated a theory that it could have been only after Skeaös was discovered.
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Duskweaver on August 07, 2017, 05:50:10 pm
I suppose that's possible (that she was replaced only recently).

Anyway, the degree to which skin-spies can alter their bodies (rather than just their faces) is still an unknown quantity. Several passages suggest they only change their faces. But that makes their supposedly high success rate as infiltrators completely implausible.
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Moosehunter on August 07, 2017, 05:59:50 pm
The skin-spies sex is also confused. Hermaphrodites maybe?
Skin-spy sex is one of the things in this series I still have less than zero idea about. I still don't get how Ikurei Xerius could be having sex with Istriya-spy for years without ever noticing she had a penis.

But it certainly seems like the Inchoroi just like sticking penises on everything.

We don't actually know just when Istriya was replaced though.

I once floated a theory that it could have been only after Skeaös was discovered.
My reading of it has always been that she was a replacement for Skeaos. Even on rereads I didn't see anything to suggest she was a skin spy prior to that. Did Kellhus lay eyes on her can anyone recall. Was she present when he noticed Skeaos?

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Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Likaro on August 07, 2017, 06:36:23 pm
From my reading Istriya's replacement was quite recent and certainly did not go back years. Xerius was certainly shocked to find the boner waiting for him.

The Skin Spies always have dicks, there has been nothing to suggest they can change genitalia. Even Cnaiur's Serwe has one.

BTW Xerius was a great character. Wish we had him in the AE.
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Madness on August 08, 2017, 02:11:57 pm
@Duskweaver and all else. I loved the Dragon/Serwa fight scene compared to alot of others. But, man, Cunny? Who in the fucking world says Cunny? It almost ruines it for me.

Not this world but, you know... Wracu, Earwa, whatever. I've had a handful of exes who referred to theirs as "cooter." If you're going to take issue with one, they both sounds equally made-up to me.

The skin-spies sex is also confused. Hermaphrodites maybe?
Skin-spy sex is one of the things in this series I still have less than zero idea about. I still don't get how Ikurei Xerius could be having sex with Istriya-spy for years without ever noticing she had a penis.

But it certainly seems like the Inchoroi just like sticking penises on everything.

I suppose that's possible (that she was replaced only recently).

Anyway, the degree to which skin-spies can alter their bodies (rather than just their faces) is still an unknown quantity. Several passages suggest they only change their faces. But that makes their supposedly high success rate as infiltrators completely implausible.

Cnaiur watches the thing-called-Serwe change and her hair just falls right the fuck off (TTT, I believe when Cnaiur first meets Aurang the Synthese).

Also, on Xerius/Istriya, it seems fairly straightforward to me: Istriya is replaced shortly before the beginning of current events in TDTCB. Xerius ruminates that she started bringing him "surrogates," in lieu of their coupling, and, despite playing at seeming rivals, Istriya and Skeaos both agree that Xerius' shouldn't betray the Holy War and yield the Cishaurim Shimeh (as the Consult's primary target is the Cishaurim initially in PON not knowing about Moenghus and the Dunyain at that point).

It really hits me when you think about Conphas, Xerius, Skeaos, and Istriya scheming on the Pleasure Barge shortly after Conphas returns from Kiyuth. Fucking Skin-Spies, man.
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Likaro on August 08, 2017, 03:01:44 pm
Crackpot theory: Emilidis made the Carapace.

Under his glossary entry it says something about him seeking to create something that was indistinguishable from Godly creation or some such.
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Francis Buck on August 08, 2017, 05:29:12 pm
Some thoughts:

Emilidis was able to create sorcerous objects that were immune to Chorae because, as noted in the glossary, Emilidis was all about recreating "patterns in nature" or something along those lines. Spirals, octagons, etc. Of course, in Earwa, the patterns in nature aren't random coincidence, and indeed they have intrinsically metaphysical qualities. In other words, it's not sorcery at all really. If anything it's close to the Psukhe, in terms of its application/nature. In a world of meaning, you don't actually need sorcery (which disrupts the Onta) to create "magic", you just need to focus in on the right (or rather most potent) forms of this intrinsic meaning, which is basically intersubjective concepts that have meaning whether there are people around to give them meaning or not. For us, a hundred dollar bill only has value because everyone decided it does. In Earwa, that value exists regardless (not the best analogy but it's a start).

Not sure if it was mentioned, but Emilidis also made the octogonal "fire-scrying" rings, one of which is used by Kellhus.
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: ThoughtsOfThelli on August 08, 2017, 11:25:04 pm
From my reading Istriya's replacement was quite recent and certainly did not go back years. Xerius was certainly shocked to find the boner waiting for him.

Also, on Xerius/Istriya, it seems fairly straightforward to me: Istriya is replaced shortly before the beginning of current events in TDTCB. Xerius ruminates that she started bringing him "surrogates," in lieu of their coupling, and, despite playing at seeming rivals, Istriya and Skeaos both agree that Xerius' shouldn't betray the Holy War and yield the Cishaurim Shimeh (as the Consult's primary target is the Cishaurim initially in PON not knowing about Moenghus and the Dunyain at that point).

I agree. From all the clues we have there in the text, having her as a skin-spy for the past few years doesn't make much sense.
In TDTCB, both Xerius and Conphas also think how Istriya has been acting strange and not in accordance with the unspoken rules they have for dealing with each other for some time.
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Wolfdrop on August 10, 2017, 10:21:13 am
I'm under the impression that her replacement was relatively recent. Her glossary entry in TTT doesn't give a death date which should indicate her death takes place during the book.

For example, the Cutias Sarcellus entry lists his death as 4099, more than 10 years before the beginning of the holy war.

It's possible the death date wasn't included as a spoiler, but the characters who died in TTT entries were lifted straight from one glossary to the other, TAE doesn't shed any more light on it
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: ThoughtsOfThelli on August 10, 2017, 05:07:09 pm
I'm under the impression that her replacement was relatively recent. Her glossary entry in TTT doesn't give a death date which should indicate her death takes place during the book.

For example, the Cutias Sarcellus entry lists his death as 4099, more than 10 years before the beginning of the holy war.

It's possible the death date wasn't included as a spoiler, but the characters who died in TTT entries were lifted straight from one glossary to the other, TAE doesn't shed any more light on it

I think Istriya's entry in the TTT glossary doesn't have a death date because we only learned she was a skin-spy in that book (so, to avoid spoilers, like you said). Given all the other clues we have, it makes more sense that she died before early 4112 (when TTT takes place).
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Wolfdrop on August 10, 2017, 05:26:13 pm
Would have really helped if it had been updated in TUC, but as I memtioned out, all TTT death characters are lifted with no update, albeit not on purpose.
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: ThoughtsOfThelli on August 10, 2017, 05:42:35 pm
Would have really helped if it had been updated in TUC, but as I memtioned out, all TTT death characters are lifted with no update, albeit not on purpose.

Some characters who died in TTT actually got their entries updated in TUC (I remember Gothyelk was one of them), just not all of them. But yes, it's still kind of annoying if you just want to check something and have to go through TTT because the entries are incomplete in the TUC glossary.
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Duskweaver on August 11, 2017, 08:33:33 am
IIRC, Bakker has stated that the EG is deliberately incomplete and unreliable, because it is written from an in-universe PoV. It's meant to be something compiled by actual Three Seas scholars. It's possible that nobody working on it knew when Istriya really died, or even whether she was actually dead.

Having said that, Bakker has also acknowledged that there are things in the EG that were genuinely mistakes on his part.
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Madness on August 11, 2017, 12:23:47 pm
IIRC, Bakker has stated that the EG is deliberately incomplete and unreliable, because it is written from an in-universe PoV. It's meant to be something compiled by actual Three Seas scholars. It's possible that nobody working on it knew when Istriya really died, or even whether she was actually dead.

Having said that, Bakker has also acknowledged that there are things in the EG that were genuinely mistakes on his part.

+1
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Cynical Cat on August 15, 2017, 10:26:39 am
While it does say that there is no outwards difference in appearance between male and female Sranc that are readily apparent, this isn't the same as saying they are outwardly identical down to the genitalia.  It does mean that male and female Sranc will have the same height, build, and colouration.
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Duskweaver on August 15, 2017, 01:09:19 pm
While it does say that there is no outwards difference in appearance between male and female Sranc that are readily apparent, this isn't the same as saying they are outwardly identical down to the genitalia.  It does mean that male and female Sranc will have the same height, build, and colouration.
I think it is downright silly to claim that "no outward differences are readily apparent" is compatible with "half of them don't have the thing that is their most prominent feature in almost every damn description we have of them".
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Sausuna on August 15, 2017, 01:38:03 pm
These were all the works I could find from him.

The Amiolas
The Barricades
The Diurnal
The Immaculate Rim
Chipmunk
Hearth-cracker (and five other Cinderswords)
The Orthongonal (apparently he made five, all are noted as not having survived the ages).

The Agonic Collar - Maybe?
I saw note of Sheära, the Sun-skin, but couldn't confirm if it was from him or Mihtrûl.

Something else with a cool name made by Davdul (some man) was Tharmondal, the Sky-cleaver.
Note, though, that others have managed to create artifacts that are immune to Chorae, though how this happens isn't clear. But the text of the Orthogonal is what seems cool to me, his research into the 'Uncreated Creation'. Basically wanting to make an artifact that seemed natural. So assumedly one with no mark.
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Madness on August 15, 2017, 04:41:20 pm
The Agonic Collar - Maybe?

Fairly certain Harapior confirms this to Serwa in TGO?

Welcome to the Second Apocalypse, Sausuna!
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Sausuna on August 15, 2017, 05:06:03 pm
The Agonic Collar - Maybe?

Fairly certain Harapior confirms this to Serwa in TGO?

Welcome to the Second Apocalypse, Sausuna!
Thanks! I recall something like that, I'd have to check. But the only think I had on hand was TUC section that says the Mihtrûlic reputedly made it. Though, that's not really a contradiction either given his founding of it.
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Duskweaver on August 15, 2017, 09:45:17 pm
Thanks! I recall something like that, I'd have to check. But the only think I had on hand was TUC section that says the Mihtrûlic reputedly made it. Though, that's not really a contradiction either given his founding of it.
The implication seems to be that the Agonic Collar is not a singular artefact. Like Chorae, there are several, made by various Mihtrulic artificers. The particular one Harapior put on Serwa was made by Emilidis personally, though, and was therefore more potent. At least according to Harapior.

Didn't stop Serwa anyway, of course. It is possible Agonic Collars cannot cope with the second Inutteral of the Metagnosis. Makes me wonder if they normally work by leveraging the differential between the Utteral and Inutteral in some way. (Alternatively, if more boringly, it's possible Serwa wasn't affected simply because she can choose not to feel pain.)
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Cynical Cat on August 16, 2017, 01:03:37 am
It's more likely that it failed because its means of operation is to inflict unbearable pain so the subject can't concentrate.  That's going to be more, not less, effective against the second inutteral.  It probably failed because of Serwa's ability to disassociate from the pain, the same ability that allowed her sing to her torturers and fight a dragon while covered in three degree burns.
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Duskweaver on August 16, 2017, 11:12:26 am
My only problem with that interpretation is that Harapior warned her not to try and cant with the Collar on after she'd proved torture didn't work on her, after all the singing and the other Nonmen saying that she tormented him. He still seemed to think the Collar would kill her if she used sorcery, even though he absolutely knew that pain had no hold over her. To me, that implies that merely being able to ignore pain shouldn't normally protect against an Agonic Collar, and that Serwa had to do something else (that Harapior could not conceive of) to defeat it.
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: themerchant on August 16, 2017, 12:13:20 pm
No cants of compulsion worked on her either. I think Bakker said somewhere that Kellhus had "prepared her"
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Monkhound on August 16, 2017, 02:50:23 pm
My only problem with that interpretation is that Harapior warned her not to try and cant with the Collar on after she'd proved torture didn't work on her, after all the singing and the other Nonmen saying that she tormented him. He still seemed to think the Collar would kill her if she used sorcery, even though he absolutely knew that pain had no hold over her. To me, that implies that merely being able to ignore pain shouldn't normally protect against an Agonic Collar, and that Serwa had to do something else (that Harapior could not conceive of) to defeat it.

It's a shame her showing her father's dread portion happens off screen.
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: themerchant on August 16, 2017, 03:38:07 pm
Sorweel reflects on it a bit, how the Quya just withered under her song. Didn't sound competitive.
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: themerchant on August 16, 2017, 05:03:22 pm
These were all the works I could find from him.

The Amiolas
The Barricades
The Diurnal
The Immaculate Rim
Chipmunk
Hearth-cracker (and five other Cinderswords)
The Orthongonal (apparently he made five, all are noted as not having survived the ages).

The Agonic Collar - Maybe?
I saw note of Sheära, the Sun-skin, but couldn't confirm if it was from him or Mihtrûl.

Something else with a cool name made by Davdul (some man) was Tharmondal, the Sky-cleaver.
Note, though, that others have managed to create artifacts that are immune to Chorae, though how this happens isn't clear. But the text of the Orthogonal is what seems cool to me, his research into the 'Uncreated Creation'. Basically wanting to make an artifact that seemed natural. So assumedly one with no mark.


sun-skin is not his work, as i'm pretty sure that mimara has to tuck her chorae into her boots so it will work. or that might be Akka's wards, so i might be talking pish.
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Madness on August 16, 2017, 05:34:12 pm
My only problem with that interpretation is that Harapior warned her not to try and cant with the Collar on after she'd proved torture didn't work on her, after all the singing and the other Nonmen saying that she tormented him. He still seemed to think the Collar would kill her if she used sorcery, even though he absolutely knew that pain had no hold over her. To me, that implies that merely being able to ignore pain shouldn't normally protect against an Agonic Collar, and that Serwa had to do something else (that Harapior could not conceive of) to defeat it.

I think Harapior was just hedging his bets. He gagged her because he knew her as Dunyain and so knew she sang the lays of the Nonmen so that Nin'ciljiras would bid her sing for the court before they defiled her. Harapior seems to be the only Ishterebinth Nonmen who has a clue as to how dangerous the Dunyain can be so he assumes that her signing to torment the torturers has a point - that she can sing through the Agonic Collar and thus when bid sing for Nin'ciljiras, she would settle the issue of civil war.

I think he specifically says it's an Agonic Collar made by Emildilis but since he still gags her on top of the Agonic Collar, he probably is just trying to scare her out of trying.

It's a shame her showing her father's dread portion happens off screen.

Damn shame but also classic Bakker. Leaves the imaginings up to us ;).

EDIT: Fixed boneheaded error.
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: SmilerLoki on August 16, 2017, 05:42:35 pm
Nil'giccas would bid her sing for the court
You probably mean Nin'ciljiras?
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Sausuna on August 16, 2017, 05:45:36 pm
I think it worth noting that Harapior could also be wrong, given the glossary entry about Emilidis.
"A great deal of controversy and confusion surrounds the Artisan and his creations, the latter because the School of Mihtrulic insisted on crediting Emilidis with the manufacture of everything save the humblest sorcerous artifacts long after his disappearance"
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Madness on August 16, 2017, 05:46:24 pm
Nil'giccas would bid her sing for the court
You probably mean Nin'ciljiras?

Yup :)...
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Cüréthañ on August 16, 2017, 08:32:42 pm
Has it been noted that Akka identifies Chipmunk as the Artisan's work when he sees Crabicus touching it with a chorae, sparking light but not disenchanting it?
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Cynical Cat on August 17, 2017, 10:17:32 am
Like Akka, Serwa bears Sethwatha within and with it his resistance to being compelled as well as her Dunyain abilities.  The Lord Torturer has never subjected such a person to his torments and compulsions nor has he ever seen the effects of the collar on such a person.  Once she is able to unleash sorcery, it is going to of war cants of someone who can wield the Metagnosis and it will be unleashed on a court that is literally tearing itself apart.
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Madness on August 17, 2017, 03:10:29 pm
Has it been noted that Akka identifies Chipmunk as the Artisan's work when he sees Crabicus touching it with a chorae, sparking light but not disenchanting it?

I think the line goes "Emildilis hid that in the Coffers for a reason" (bp).

Like Akka, Serwa bears Sethwatha within and with it his resistance to being compelled as well as her Dunyain abilities.  The Lord Torturer has never subjected such a person to his torments and compulsions nor has he ever seen the effects of the collar on such a person.  Once she is able to unleash sorcery, it is going to of war cants of someone who can wield the Metagnosis and it will be unleashed on a court that is literally tearing itself apart.

+1
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: gtownwr on August 24, 2017, 01:57:51 pm
What i find amazing is from the EG. That all of Emilidis works are immune to chorae. Thats just amazing.

But I thought that it was strongly implied that Sorweel used a chorae to disenchant Serwa's collar so that she could get them out of there...  Did I read that wrong?
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: Madness on August 24, 2017, 02:11:40 pm
Sings sorcery through the Collar ;)!

Confirmed in our Q&A thread here - I've been saying that for time though. All Sorweel does is remove the gag.
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: gtownwr on August 24, 2017, 02:20:56 pm
Sings sorcery through the Collar ;)!

Confirmed in our Q&A thread here - I've been saying that for time though. All Sorweel does is remove the gag.

DANG!  That's awesome.  I have had trouble with 1) keeping up with all the Q and A's and 2) finding information referenced in the Q and A's even after I know they are there.  Example:  I read on a thread that in the Reddit AMA RSB confirmed that Khellus found a way to hide his soul from Ajokli, but I read the whole thing and never saw that referenced in there at all. 
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: SmilerLoki on August 24, 2017, 02:29:11 pm
DANG!  That's awesome.  I have had trouble with 1) keeping up with all the Q and A's and 2) finding information referenced in the Q and A's even after I know they are there.  Example:  I read on a thread that in the Reddit AMA RSB confirmed that Khellus found a way to hide his soul from Ajokli, but I read the whole thing and never saw that referenced in there at all.
That wasn't on Reddit, but here:
http://www.second-apocalypse.com/index.php?topic=2278.msg35988#msg35988
Title: Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
Post by: gtownwr on August 24, 2017, 07:40:32 pm
DANG!  That's awesome.  I have had trouble with 1) keeping up with all the Q and A's and 2) finding information referenced in the Q and A's even after I know they are there.  Example:  I read on a thread that in the Reddit AMA RSB confirmed that Khellus found a way to hide his soul from Ajokli, but I read the whole thing and never saw that referenced in there at all.
That wasn't on Reddit, but here:
http://www.second-apocalypse.com/index.php?topic=2278.msg35988#msg35988

Thanks!  Keeping my "Khellus isn't gone" dreams alive.