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I personally think he is schizophrenic but the guys a genius so no questions it. Anyway, I was wondering if any of you had heard of the name Elroy Hutch. It is what he calls his so called "alternate personality", thought maybe it could be a tribute to some obscure piece of work, or not so obscure I dunno.
Anyone?
Had to bitch about the moderation on another forum (RPG.net). Had this thread where because of one table in an RPG that mentions wenching or getting married (from a male perspective), the poster said they hated it and that it was 'unwelcoming' which I teased out was code that if someone doesn't invite you, then they must automatically hate you.
Then someone else insisted you have to have gender neutral terms and I raised what about public toilets, are they gender neutral, or prisons? We have stuff in our society which has some segregation - if you support that society, you just can't on the one hand support segregation, yet condemn it at the same time. People in partially glass houses should be careful throwing stones, was my very line.
Got a thread ban for thread crapping.
I raised a trouble ticket there, that in part asked for an example of arguing for the moderate line that wouldn't be banned.
I dread to look at that ticket again, for the way they'll (I'm guessing) bur bur bur around, plumping themselves up, absolultely no movement at their core, no activity there that is introspection, only looking outward for a problem. Well, okay I'm guessing that, but the way people can just dodge a question - their capacity to just flaff out text and dodge it, it's just daunting!
Just disturbing their whole 'anti thread crapping' initiative - how its semantically ambiguous. Like it's supposed to be for things like 'Hey, I want D&D adventure ideas' and someone says 'don't play D&D!'. But how easily is it repurposed to simply stop anyone arguing with what the moderators no doubt agree with and don't really want to hear otherwise about.
Indeed even further back I was on a forum (sirlin.net) where the owner didn't believe in censorship. But then one poster just keeps swearing over and over, and nastily. So the owner puts in a rating system, so people can downvote a post out of view. The next thing, I question his assumptions about a game he prizes (streetfighter), he's telling me he hopes my post should be down rated out of existance 'as it deserves'. Sorry, was I swearing like the person who triggered the entry of the rating system.
Just funny how quickly repurposed these powers become!
What should the soundtrack to TSA sound like? Imagine that you're putting together the music for a PON movie. What would it be?
You can either describe it, or link to youtube vids, or say "X should make the soundtrack", or anything. This thread is mostly for fun, and I'm also interested to hear what music other people associate with the scenes in PON.
(This thread isn't about "what do you listen to while you read", since we already have a thread for that.)
I believe that Bakker has stated in one of his interviews that Serwe could potentially be the most important character in the entire SE series.
I was talking to a friend who just started the series and a theory popped into my head as to why, maybe, this could be. Or rather a few questions. First though, does anyone know:
1) where that idea came from, or rather the interview where Bakker said that (or something similar, I dont want to miss quote it).
2) is there somewhere on this forum that this has been discussed already?
Sorry but right now I dont have a lot of time and I want to be more certain before I write stuff down.
edit:
Interview:QuoteBut it was the innocence part, that struck me as the most significant and the most
redemptive. Without giving too much away, there is a manner in which Serwe is the most
important character in the book.
Edit:
Revising the preface of this.
Discussion of Frank Herbert's Dune Saga. This is Dune, Dune Messiah, Children of Dune, God Emperor of Dune, Heretics of Dune,and Chapterhouse: Dune.
If you haven't read these, be warned that there will be major spoilers, and likely none of them will be tagged.
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Anyways. I've seen mentions of parallels and similarities between the two mentioned here, and even that Bakker drew some of his ideas from the series. If anyone would care to expand on what they see between the books and authors I'd like to read it. Some of you are so much more, shall we say, literarilly inclined than myself. (yup made up that word)
But as for me, some obvious things jump out. The Mentat and their absurd computational abilities as well as the Bene Gesserit and their galactic breeding program. The Kwisatz Haderach and his abilities.
All these things remind me of the Dunyain. They are basically the Mentat and the BG combined. Their Kwisatz Haderach the one who first obtains The Absolute, or maybe its Kell (again coming before his time like Dune) who is the prodigal dunyain.
Then we have Qirri: "The poison that made strong" WLW 429. Qirri and the spice melange. Both addictive, both shrouded in mystery. Perhaps the qirri doesn't give prescience, but maybe it does. As the space navigators can see glimpses, perhaps mundane humans just get some of the fringe benefits but not all. The actual affects of the qirri on a Nonmen or a dunyain is largely unknown, who knows, perhaps it could grant some prescient visions.
On that subject, the way the future is portrayed in visions. Kell sees paths of probabilities and is largely able to control what lines of logic he follows into the future. Our Kwisatz Haderach can only just barely grasp the future and its implications, and he is more just looking at visions of different futures rather than following specific paths. However the TTT and the 'nexuses' that the Kwisatz Haderach cannot see through are similar. They are both large pools of cosmic forces all condensed into a small point, where small, minute varations in paths lead to drastically different futures.
Then of course the obvious parallel of the face dancers, which I have only just met and not much for to say on that subject.
Made me think of something interesting, near the end.
Paul can't see others with prescience. He can see the effects, where the person went and where they may end up, but never the person directly. Could this be the case in TSA series?
Perhaps the gods have similar visions of the timeline, like Paul's. They exist outside of the timeline entirely, but maybe those with similar 'powers' are invisible to them. Obviously the No-God, if it was some kind of god figure, would then be rendered invisible. How about Kell? Could Kell be similar to the space guild navigators in that he has a limited 'power' and is therefore himself invisible, but at the same time much more easily seen the the No-God. Paul never saw the other Kwisatz Haderach revealed at the end. Maybe this was because Paul was still not adept at using his powers, but he can see the effects of the guilds men rather plainly, so perhaps it was because (to make a lame analogy) they had such similar power levels that they were both invisible.
Question is on the tin.
This thread is for speculations about the Race of Lovers.
What sort of place do you think the Inchoroi came from, originally? What background might they have had, before they became a species obsessed with their own damnation in the afterlife and eventually landed on Eärwa? Were they always an all-male (in the human sense) species? How do you think the society of the Inchoroi looks like?
How long has the Inverse Fire been with them, and how long have the Inchoroi known about the No-God (and these two are definitely connected)?
Feel free to speculate.
And this is not a child
Playing with words
Once spoken in holy gift
Rejected for their mirrored reproach
Of sins
Salting the Ground
I noticed we didn't have a thread when I had nowhere to put these:Quote from: Mithfanion, 2005Scott, could you say who or what is Nin-Ciljiras? He (or it) is mentioned by the Inchoroi...Quote from: Cu'jara Cinmoi, 2005He's a character in The Aspect-Emperor...Quote from: Cu'jara Cinmoi, 2005Mansion' is used both as a term to describe Nonmen cities, and much as the way 'House' is used - as an epithet for dynasties, families, etc.
In my old notes the Nonmen also used totemic devices, but in the multi-form manner that characterizes much of their art. So for instance, a Nonmen representation of a wolf would likely show it occupying two or more postures at once, like sleeping/running.
Having Nonmen blood means many things - things, which come to the fore when the Nonmen take a more active role in The Aspect-Emperor. Sometimes I feel like you're the dirty old man in the strip bar sitting on sniff row shouting 'take it off!'Quote from: Cu'jara Cinmoi, 2004Many Nonmen wander Earwa and the Three Seas, searching for trauma - which is to say, memories. A few hundred serve Golgotterath. The majority of these are what are called 'Erratics' - Nonmen who've been driven mad by the accumulation of trauma.
The majority of surviving Nonmen, however, dwell in Ishterebinth - stonghold of the ancient Nonmen nation of Injor Niyas - where they struggle to keep the dwindling flame of their ancient civilization alive. Here the Quya and the Siqu masters continue their studies, developing techniques, sorcerous and otherwise, to keep their race sane.
There, I've gone and said too much!
But, you know, fill the thread up with all the whispers and such... drop some knowledge.
just wanted to say thanks for administering this site. i think it's a valuable contribution and am pleased to particpate.
Willem suggested this thread to consolidate fan resources on and off the forum. I've updated this post to include an extra-plethora of redundant links.
1. There is a sticky'd thread with a link to all Cu'jara Cinmoi's posts. At this point, I'm not personally going to take the time to transcribe Bakker's Zombies Three Seas posts. Everyone is welcome to pollute that thread with their favorites. That includes any aphorisms that anyone would like to share. Eventually that thread can earn the title curated like lockesnow suggested. [It actually became its own thread: Curated Sayings].
2. lockesnow was kind enough to consolidate the epigrams from all the books for us. In every book subforum [WLW, TJE, TTT,
TWP, TDTCB] there is a sticky'd thread. I'm working on consolidating TPB's aphorisms and the new ones Bakker's been doing over social media: [This has been done within Curated Sayings]. Truth Shines, I believe, and Wilshire also got the Wikiquote project off the hop and everyone is welcome to partake in those threads (again, sticky'd by subforum [WLW, TJE, TTT, TWP, TDTCB].
3. I'm not sure what qualifies as critical responses - I have a list of Interviews & Articles that I'd consolidated over the years. lockesnow still has a few - referenced in other threads - where Bakker has some quality commentary on people's responses and reviews. Anyone is welcome to add any links to anything qualifying as relating to Bakker but also not an Interview & Article, like reviews, responses, commentary.
4. Fan Resources:
There's The Prince of Nothing Wiki.
The aforementioned Wikiquote: The Second Apocalypse, R. Scott Bakker.
Three Pound Brain - Bakker's Blog.
Many, many threads on Westeros Literature forum [enumerated by book titles and roman numerals. They are a couple odd threads out - as our speculation was and is insatiable - but you can ask around there for those or search the history for Bakker and other keywords.
r/bakker
R. Scott Bakker Fans Twitter
5. Everyone is welcome to and encouraged to participate in The Almanac [Nearing the end of TDTCB!]. All I can ask, at this point, is that people participate in the forum at large as they can - we all have unique lives.
Also, please add anything that would qualify as a resource that I've missed.
EDIT:
Zombie Three-Seas - The Resurrected Read-Only version of Three-Seas forum, a forum for the Second Apocalypse which was finally overwhelmed by Spam Sranc after the release of TJE.
Summary of Where We Left Off: The Unholy Consult
aengelas has made the old forum public again. Its read-only but I urge all of our members, lurking or otherwise, to give it some traffic. There is so much quality material - many, many irreplacible Q&A's with Bakker. Dive in:
The Three-Seas[/b]
Much appreciation, aengelas.
The schedule for February and March is out at CBC Radio and word on Bakker's facebook page is that the episode with him, Cordelia Fine, and others:
Monday, March 18
THE FOOL’S DILEMMA
Bertrand Russell said “the trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure, while the intelligent are full of doubt”. Recent research in psychology suggests that our confidence often exceeds our competence. Our brains, researchers claim, take shortcuts and jump to conclusions that flatter us. Can we accurately assess what we know, or are we all subject to the fool's dilemma? Author Laura Penny talks to psychologists and writers about new perspectives on the age-old philosophical problem of human ignorance and self-delusion.
Ideas Schedule March
Apocalypse at eleven.
http://mind42.com/
its a mindmap site though you do need a name and pass. you could just make some generic one or something i dunno.
