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Title: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: Francis Buck on February 15, 2019, 12:36:52 am
Put your stillsuits on baby because this movie is gonna be HOT.

Slated for release in 2020, the latest adaptation of Frank Herbert's 'Dune' is being directed by Canadian master Denis Villeneuve (whose impeccable track record includes Bladerunner 2049, Arrival, Sicario, Prisoners, and Enemy). Word is that the film will be a two parter, and actually follows the story of Paul Muad'dib from both the first book and its follow-up, Dune Messiah.

The casting revealed so far is:

Timothee Chalamet as Paul

Rebecca Ferguson as Lady Jessica

Oscar Isaac as Duke Leto (in talks)

Josh Brolin as Gurney Halleck

Zendaya as Chani (in talks)

Stellan Skarsgaard as Baron Harkonnen

Dave Bautista as Rabban

Javier Bardem as Stilgar (in talks)

Jason Momoa as Duncan Idaho (in talks)

Charlotte Rampling as Reverend Mother

Assuming those still in negotiation go through, this is a pretty great cast for the movie in my opinion, and there are still a few big characters to go, including Feyd-Rautha and Duncan Idaho.
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: TLEILAXU on February 15, 2019, 01:01:33 am
AND Dune Messiah? Fucking ace m8. Let this movie be a success.
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: Madness on February 15, 2019, 02:39:50 am
Literally was just wondering who they are going to cast as Idaho and...

Jason Momoa...

I'm unsure how I feel. I've followed him as far back as Stargate so I know he *can* act but the media machine has done him a real disservice since GOT.
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: TaoHorror on February 15, 2019, 03:59:25 am
Literally was just wondering who they are going to cast as Idaho and...

Jason Momoa...

I'm unsure how I feel. I've followed him as far back as Stargate so I know he *can* act but the media machine has done him a real disservice since GOT.
I haven't kept up with him, but he was very good in The Red Road ( so sad they didn't continue that show ).

Ah, Stellan Skarsgaard is a demon, he'll make a great Baron :)
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: Madness on February 15, 2019, 10:10:54 am
Momoa was also great in Frontier.
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: themerchant on February 15, 2019, 11:50:49 am
Just read the book it's really good.
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: Wilshire on February 15, 2019, 12:41:50 pm
Just read the book it's really good.
Unsure if you're saying that you recently read the book, or if you're telling people to go read it :P.

What's this, like the 3rd attempt at a movie? Ought to be a success then! I do hope it goes well though, better than the previous movies at least...
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: Madness on February 15, 2019, 01:21:10 pm
Hmm... themerchant 'tude makes this most difficult to decipher ;).
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: Wilshire on February 15, 2019, 01:44:28 pm
Hmm... themerchant 'tude makes this most difficult to decipher ;).

Well that, and read can often be read as read or read - there's not always enough context online to support one over the other.
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: TLEILAXU on February 15, 2019, 04:12:07 pm
Clearly he knows that a lot of us have read the book, so he would not be imperatively telling us to read it. Rather, he's stating that he just finished it himself, to which I can only say: Great! Now read Messiah, it's probably the best one in the series.
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: themerchant on February 15, 2019, 04:17:21 pm
No I'm telling you guys to read the book. Instead of worrying about a movie.
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: TLEILAXU on February 15, 2019, 10:11:35 pm
I've already read the book ya cunt.
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: MSJ on February 15, 2019, 10:34:29 pm
Quote from:  TLEILAXU
I've already read the book ya cunt.

Clearly....no f$&*"s given....
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: Francis Buck on February 16, 2019, 01:30:24 am
Themerchant's right. Who needs a Dune movie? They already made a great adaptation anyway. It's this movie called "Star Wars". It gets rid of all the boring political bullshit and character drama, and also cuts out 90% of the worldbuilding -- and let's be honest, if there's one thing about Dune that just about everybody can agree on, it's how fucking shitty the worldbuilding is, am I right?

Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: themerchant on February 16, 2019, 12:06:31 pm
I've already read the book ya cunt.

and yet you're still wanting a film. Ya fucking radge.
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: themerchant on February 16, 2019, 12:10:45 pm
Themerchant's right. Who needs a Dune movie? They already made a great adaptation anyway. It's this movie called "Star Wars". It gets rid of all the boring political bullshit and character drama, and also cuts out 90% of the worldbuilding -- and let's be honest, if there's one thing about Dune that just about everybody can agree on, it's how fucking shitty the worldbuilding is, am I right?



Built a big straw-man there.

Just read the book. No need for the movie. It's tautology.

I've only seen the original star wars, the phantom menace then some of the other 2. No idea how many new ones there are now. The Phatom menace came out when i was in my 20's.

Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: themerchant on February 16, 2019, 12:12:58 pm
Quote from:  TLEILAXU
I've already read the book ya cunt.

Clearly....no f$&*"s given....

He's just talking to me in Scottish lol
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: MSJ on February 16, 2019, 09:58:42 pm
Quote from:  themerchant
He's just talking to me in Scottish lol

Lol, I see now.
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: TaoHorror on February 19, 2019, 03:00:58 pm
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I'm with TL - fuck the book(s), we want a movie! Nobody's "worrying" about it, fucker. We're enjoying "talking" about it, wondering if it'll be any good - talking it up! But yeah, shit on other people having fun, I get it - the mark of superior intelligence. I've read the books ( except the last one - and IMHO, God Emperor was the best one up to Heretics ), having a movie about them is not tautology. Indeed, if we made a show about PON, it might provide some clarity for readers on the story. Love it or hate it, drama/plays are fun to watch ( er, for most of us ).
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: themerchant on February 19, 2019, 04:00:21 pm
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I'm with TL - fuck the book(s), we want a movie! Nobody's "worrying" about it, fucker. We're enjoying "talking" about it, wondering if it'll be any good - talking it up! But yeah, shit on other people having fun, I get it - the mark of superior intelligence. I've read the books ( except the last one - and IMHO, God Emperor was the best one up to Heretics ), having a movie about them is not tautology. Indeed, if we made a show about PON, it might provide some clarity for readers on the story. Love it or hate it, drama/plays are fun to watch ( er, for most of us ).

I was expecting a lot better considering the note at the start.

Movies are for folk who must be shown and cannot just be told.
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: TaoHorror on February 19, 2019, 04:25:49 pm
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I'm with TL - fuck the book(s), we want a movie! Nobody's "worrying" about it, fucker. We're enjoying "talking" about it, wondering if it'll be any good - talking it up! But yeah, shit on other people having fun, I get it - the mark of superior intelligence. I've read the books ( except the last one - and IMHO, God Emperor was the best one up to Heretics ), having a movie about them is not tautology. Indeed, if we made a show about PON, it might provide some clarity for readers on the story. Love it or hate it, drama/plays are fun to watch ( er, for most of us ).

I was expecting a lot better considering the note at the start.

Movies are for folk who must be shown and cannot just be told.

I'm still squeamish from the "talking to" I received from Madness, some bullshit about "you'all aren't my real friends, can't treat us as your real friends, be nice or we'll kick you out" ... so, yeah, though the above may be weak, it's still in the danger zone. I should start a forum/blog/whatever for PON discussion where the only requirement is everyone must speak in Horror - Thar's no snowflakes on the Slog!
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: themerchant on February 19, 2019, 06:45:25 pm
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I'm with TL - fuck the book(s), we want a movie! Nobody's "worrying" about it, fucker. We're enjoying "talking" about it, wondering if it'll be any good - talking it up! But yeah, shit on other people having fun, I get it - the mark of superior intelligence. I've read the books ( except the last one - and IMHO, God Emperor was the best one up to Heretics ), having a movie about them is not tautology. Indeed, if we made a show about PON, it might provide some clarity for readers on the story. Love it or hate it, drama/plays are fun to watch ( er, for most of us ).

I was expecting a lot better considering the note at the start.

Movies are for folk who must be shown and cannot just be told.

I'm still squeamish from the "talking to" I received from Madness, some bullshit about "you'all aren't my real friends, can't treat us as your real friends, be nice or we'll kick you out" ... so, yeah, though the above may be weak, it's still in the danger zone. I should start a forum/blog/whatever for PON discussion where the only requirement is everyone must speak in Horror - Thar's no snowflakes on the Slog!

Fair enough. Getting called a cunt in conversation probably doesn't translate too well outside Scotland.

If you see someone going in hard on me (like me and MSJ joking that time) it's normally us joking about how Scots use insults as terms of endearment.

At least thats how i took TL maybe he was just calling me a cunt lol

Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: TLEILAXU on February 19, 2019, 07:01:37 pm
I think you guys better all calm down now lest we all get the 'talk' from Madness.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hh39ZIaJ_k4/hqdefault.jpg)

Also, say you like kebab. You can buy kebabs and enjoy them, put chili sauce on them like normal human beings etc., but you can also get pizza with kebab. Another medium to enjoy it.
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: themerchant on February 19, 2019, 07:20:15 pm
I think you guys better all calm down now lest we all get the 'talk' from Madness.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hh39ZIaJ_k4/hqdefault.jpg)

Also, say you like kebab. You can buy kebabs and enjoy them, put chili sauce on them like normal human beings etc., but you can also get pizza with kebab. Another medium to enjoy it.

yeah kebab on pitta bread or kebab on pizza bread.

Such diversity. ;) would sir like his bread leavened or unleavened.
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: Francis Buck on February 26, 2019, 01:42:19 am
So getting back on topic, what are people hoping for in terms of the visual style for the world? I know the director has stated they're spending a long time in pre-production specifically to create a distinct aesthetic for the movies and would ideally become as indistinguishable from Dune as the worlds of Star Wars or Lord of the Rings are in terms of adaptation.

Personally, I know that the artwork of Bungie in the Destiny franchise has definitely scratched the "Dune-feel" itch for me on numerous occasions, from armor to weaponry to technology, a lot of the designs just nail that old-but-new, science-fantasy look better than just about anyone.

I also would not at all mind them drawing liberally from the cooler aspects of David Lynch's Fincher's adaptation, and, of course, the remain Jodorowsky material. It would be a fool's error not to take advantage of that psychedelic whirlwind of creativity.

ETA: David Lynch, not Fincher.
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: TLEILAXU on February 26, 2019, 06:04:42 pm
So getting back on topic, what are people hoping for in terms of the visual style for the world? I know the director has stated they're spending a long time in pre-production specifically to create a distinct aesthetic for the movies and would ideally become as indistinguishable from Dune as the worlds of Star Wars or Lord of the Rings are in terms of adaptation.

Personally, I know that the artwork of Bungie in the Destiny franchise has definitely scratched the "Dune-feel" itch for me on numerous occasions, from armor to weaponry to technology, a lot of the designs just nail that old-but-new, science-fantasy look better than just about anyone.

I also would not at all mind them drawing liberally from the cooler aspects of David Fincher's adaptation, and, of course, the remain Jodorowsky material. It would be a fool's error not to take advantage of that psychedelic whirlwind of creativity.
It was David Lynch you scrub, and I agree. Even some of its innovations are cool and feel in place in Dune, such as the Guild Navigator + associates design. Honestly, just making it like the Lynch version with 2049 technology and without some of the stupid innovations such as the 'voice weapon' and the Baron having a bad case of full body herpes it'd already be a pretty great movie.
Jodorowsky's Dune overall sounds fucking terrible, but there were some cool ideas like e.g. in this pic https://imgur.com/gallery/dAnut I like the design of the Harkonnens as androgynous flamboyant nobility.
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: Francis Buck on February 28, 2019, 02:29:48 am
Surprised at my slip of the tongue there with Lynch, and yeah I basically agree with everything you are saying. The guild navigator design is genuinely better (or at least, more interesting) than the book one is, and a lot of the original Dune movie's look could be "2049-ified" to look awesome with modern tech and sensibilities.

And yeah, I don't think Jodorowsky's adaptation would have been a gooo Dune movie, but it probably would have been a good-if-not-amazing movie on its own (like the Starship Trooper's adaptation by Verhoeven...actually wouldn't mind getting a legit modern adaptation of the book).

Probably my biggest concern for the new movie is how much creative freedom Villeneuve has, ideally being near total control. I just don't want them to try and make a "family adventure blockbuster" out of it and dumb down all the subtlety and complex worldbuilding, however the fact that the movie is said to be both Dune and it's sequel gives me hope. Herbert originally planned them both together as the whole DUNE story (as they were released serially I believe in the beginning), and it actually does work better as a "complete" story -- albeit one in two parts -- then just the first book alone, and the direction the narrative in Dune Messiah ends up going, along with the content, are all good signs.

In fact pretty much everything about this movie's production from top-to-bottom thus far has been kinda perfect, enough so that it makes me more nervous than if it was just middling and had lesser expectations. It's so hard to put all the right pieces together to make any movie like this, much less Dune itself, that the likelihood of a "second chance" any time soon whatsoever is widly unlikely.
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: themerchant on March 19, 2019, 12:33:46 am
https://www.apnews.com/Business%20Wire/251b95df0d7745e2a2514d4c943724ac
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: TaoHorror on March 19, 2019, 01:55:32 am
https://www.apnews.com/Business%20Wire/251b95df0d7745e2a2514d4c943724ac

November 2020 release date?!?! Fuck me, man - I can't wait that long! Sigh. So cool to see Javier Bardem will be in this thing, fucking love that guy.
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: themerchant on March 19, 2019, 09:07:58 pm
https://www.apnews.com/Business%20Wire/251b95df0d7745e2a2514d4c943724ac

November 2020 release date?!?! Fuck me, man - I can't wait that long! Sigh. So cool to see Javier Bardem will be in this thing, fucking love that guy.

Judging by that article it seems a lot of really competent folk working on the project from top to bottom.
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: Madness on March 19, 2019, 09:26:03 pm
Hans Zimmer got tapped to score.
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: H on March 19, 2019, 10:24:57 pm
In general, I'll just trust Villeneuve until he shows me I shouldn't.  I have a hunch this won't be "book" Dune in any case, which is likely for the best, because I don't think you can realistically make the book a movie and not have it turn out like crap.
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: TLEILAXU on March 21, 2019, 02:48:58 pm
In general, I'll just trust Villeneuve until he shows me I shouldn't.  I have a hunch this won't be "book" Dune in any case, which is likely for the best, because I don't think you can realistically make the book a movie and not have it turn out like crap.
In what sense? This is where personal bias comes in. I wouldn't mind if they ditched the whole 'other memory' thing because I think it's kinda lame (which is a bit ironic given that it's a focal point of the series /and/ that it's my favorite series), but if you're talking about e.g. ditching Fremen suicide attacks then I vehemently disagree.
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: H on March 21, 2019, 03:07:55 pm
In what sense? This is where personal bias comes in. I wouldn't mind if they ditched the whole 'other memory' thing because I think it's kinda lame (which is a bit ironic given that it's a focal point of the series /and/ that it's my favorite series), but if you're talking about e.g. ditching Fremen suicide attacks then I vehemently disagree.

Well, I wasn't actually talking about anything in particular, just taking literally everything that is in the book and attempting to display it visually on screen.  I mean, prima facie, that is nonsense of course, but I think that is something like what many people would "want" even if they know that such a thing can't exist as a matter of fact.

So, all I am saying is that Villeneuve seems to know how to make somewhat entertaining movie and so I'll trust him to do what he thinks would be "best" until he shows me that maybe he doesn't.  I don't know what his vision of "Dune the Movie" is, but I think he knows enough about movies to know it isn't a literal translation of the book.  I can't pretend to know for a fact which elements are better in or out, so I'll leave it to a dude who seems to have a clue.  Again, until he shows me that my trust is misplaced.  There is no "necessity" here though, nor do I imagine any though.  Just because he did well with things before means he must do well with the properties of Dune.  But I do think there is a fair chance he will.

As you like to say, something like "we'll see what happens."
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: TLEILAXU on March 21, 2019, 06:13:29 pm
In what sense? This is where personal bias comes in. I wouldn't mind if they ditched the whole 'other memory' thing because I think it's kinda lame (which is a bit ironic given that it's a focal point of the series /and/ that it's my favorite series), but if you're talking about e.g. ditching Fremen suicide attacks then I vehemently disagree.

Well, I wasn't actually talking about anything in particular, just taking literally everything that is in the book and attempting to display it visually on screen.  I mean, prima facie, that is nonsense of course, but I think that is something like what many people would "want" even if they know that such a thing can't exist as a matter of fact.

So, all I am saying is that Villeneuve seems to know how to make somewhat entertaining movie and so I'll trust him to do what he thinks would be "best" until he shows me that maybe he doesn't.  I don't know what his vision of "Dune the Movie" is, but I think he knows enough about movies to know it isn't a literal translation of the book.  I can't pretend to know for a fact which elements are better in or out, so I'll leave it to a dude who seems to have a clue.  Again, until he shows me that my trust is misplaced.  There is no "necessity" here though, nor do I imagine any though.  Just because he did well with things before means he must do well with the properties of Dune.  But I do think there is a fair chance he will.

As you like to say, something like "we'll see what happens."
I see, yes. I initially kind of felt like it would be DoA just because I thought Blade Runner 2049 had a lame plot and Frank Herbert's hack son was 'advising', but I'm more optimistic now, but yeah, we'll see.
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: H on March 21, 2019, 08:11:23 pm
I see, yes. I initially kind of felt like it would be DoA just because I thought Blade Runner 2049 had a lame plot and Frank Herbert's hack son was 'advising', but I'm more optimistic now, but yeah, we'll see.

Well, I think Blade Runner 2049 was entertaining, but indeed far from perfect.  My guess will be that Dune ends up like that.
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: BeardFisher-King on April 10, 2019, 03:49:44 am
I've been watching clips of the David Lynch "Dune" from 1985. Underrated.
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: Francis Buck on April 11, 2019, 05:22:43 am
Hans Zimmer got tapped to score.

Hellz to the yeah! We need that LOTR-level iconic OST for Dune. 
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: TaoHorror on April 11, 2019, 02:24:03 pm
I've been watching clips of the David Lynch "Dune" from 1985. Underrated.

Agreed, I liked the Lynch Dune movie, but I'm looking forward to a new treatment of it. I didn't like Lynch's treatment of House Harkonen, but I liked what he did with the Atriedes, Fremen and the Bene Gesserit. It was well directed, good acting, some nice cinematography and fun to watch. Some of the score was good as well.
Title: Re: DUNE movie cast revealed
Post by: BeardFisher-King on April 11, 2019, 03:25:28 pm
Patrick Stewart as Gurney Halleck!