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On the Nature of the No-God
H:
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--- Quote from: H on July 30, 2015, 03:49:22 pm ---On the name, "Angel of Endless Hunger" I disagree though. If they named it an angel, which had an endless hunger, they must have experienced something that made it seem so. What made it seem like an Angel and what seemed like "Endless Hunger?" I think there is definitely something to that.
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Ok, bear with me, but...
...what if the No-God is Yatwer? What if they summoned an "angel", and specifically, the goddess of birth, and imprisoned her in the Carapace?
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While interesting, I can't square that with...well, anything, haha.
I like my idea of the No-God as a God of renunciation though, if I do say so myself. It tends to explain why they worship it, they are literally worshiping no God, the No-God.
mrganondorf:
@ H - i agree with you about Mog's seeming lack of agency, but i thought there was some prickly quote could have been an apparent issue for that--maybe from TTT dictionary? i'm sorry i can't quote it right now--i can see it but there are these things in between me and it and wood and styrofoam and other stuff
whatever the no-god is, i think it's got to be or be part of somekind of semantic black hole--once all meaning is sucked into it, the inchoroi will get their hell-less world.
i like to think that the characters are hiding lots of stuff, but the encounter between Kellhus and Moenghus could really be emblematic of the Everyone vs Inchoroi struggle. Moenghus wants a mechanistic world with no hell, the broken-dunyain Kellhus wants to hold onto meaning. in this case, surely Kellhus will meet one last dunyain for a dramatic conversation. Kellhus is really the pawn used to save hell from the world!
@ profgrape - i like that! i have a hunch that whoever/whatever is in the Carapace is being tortured by the chorae, that the chorae aren't just warding off sorcery but also provoking some of the misery that filters into Mog's monologue
H:
--- Quote ---Bashrag beat the ground with their great hammers, while Sranc heaved in imbecile masses. They swallowed the surrounding plains, loping in armour of tanned human skin, gibbering like apes, throwing themselves at the ramparts the Men of Kyraneas had made of Mengedda’s ruins. And behind them, the whirlwind … a great winding rope sucking the dun earth into black heavens, elemental and indifferent, roaring ever nearer, come to snuff out the last light of Men.
Come to seal the World shut.
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I still don't understand how the No-God works, or what it really is, but I think I am convinced that it does indeed seal the World off from the Outside. This is why births cannot happen while the No-God exists, because it somehow does not allow the Outside to open, admitting a soul into the World.
--- Quote ---Each man, he explained, was a kind of hole in existence, a point where the Outside penetrated the world.
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profgrape:
A handful of half-baked reasons for the Yatwer = No-God idea:
1. TTT glossary entry on The Apocalypse includes the line "In the spring of 2143, the No-God, summoned by means unknown, first drew breath." The only other cases we've seen that involved summoning dealt with bringing agencies from the Outside into Earwa.
2. There's something fitting about the No-God being a literal inversion of an actual God.
3. Yatwer is the goddess of birth. And the No-God's existence stopped birth.
4. The Gods vs. Kellhus are an important theme in the second series. But the only unequivocal example we have of a God directly intervening in the world is through Yatwer -- why?
5. Madness flinched when he read my earlier post.
Triskele:
That would be interesting too if somehow birth could only occur if Yatwer were in Her natural place in the Outside and bringing Her into Earwa is what prevents birth.
But then I'm trying to figure out what the other implications would be if one could summon others...like if one summoned the god of disease would disease no longer happen? That doesn't seem to make as much sense.
But I do think that the use of the word "summoned" suggests it's some kind of agency from the Outside.
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