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Consider these notes from Searle and Chalmers:

"I believe one of the unstated assumptions behind the current batch of views is that they represent the only scientifically acceptable alternatives to the antiscientism that went with traditional dualism, the belief in the immortality of the soul, spiritualism, and so on. Acceptance of the current views is motivated not so much by an independent conviction of their truth as by a terror of what are apparently the only alternatives."
-John Searle, "What's wrong with the philosophy of mind?"

"A motivation to avoid dualism, for many, has arisen from various spiritualistic, religious, supernatural and other antiscientific overtones of the view. But those are quite inessential. A naturalistic dualism expands our view of the world, but it does not invoke the forces of darkness."
-David Chalmers, "The Conscious Mind"

It seems to me philosophers could eek out a space for humanity if only they dared to suggest whatever we are there is a touch of some mystery in there.

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Logic, DNA, and Poetry

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What they thirsted after was a world of life and thought driven by a neatly controlling syntax that played itself out with something like cause - and -effect necessity. They imagined this causal necessity much as they imagined the external impact of particle upon particle, molecule upon molecule, where one thing “makes” another happen. And if this is how things work, then why should they worry about what the Book of Life might turn out to say when they could actually read it? Their confidence that they had wrested the textual secret of life from the cell’s nucleus even before they had a clue to its reading is the proof that they were not really thinking in textual terms. It wasn’t the still - unknown meaning of the text that excited them so much as their conviction that a cut - and - dried, mechanizable logic had been found for preserving certain “machine states” from one generation to the next.

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The supposedly linear structure of letters, words, and sentences into which DNA has been decoded simply does not articulate a clean, unambiguous, command - and - control authority sitting atop a hierarchical chain of command. Only a misguided preoccupation with an imagined set of well-defined syntactical relationships could have led researchers to dismiss the greater part of DNA — nearly all of it, actually — as “junk DNA.” The junk didn’t seem to participate in the neat controlling sequences researchers were focused on, and so it seemed irrelevant. But more recently the erstwhile junk has been recognized as part of a “complex system of distributed regulation” in which “the spacing, the positioning, the separations and the proximities of different elements...appear to be of the essence” (Moss 2003, p. 191).

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But even more devastating for the centralized command - and - control view has been the discovery of “epigenetic” processes. These yield hereditary changes that are not associated with structural changes in DNA at all. Rather, they arise from alterations in how the rest of the organism marks and employs its DNA. And beyond this, researchers have been exploring effects upon DNA from the larger environment. In a dramatic reversal of traditional doctrine, investigations of bacteria show that gene mutations can arise from — can even be guided by — environmental conditions in a non-random way. In sum, genes are no more the self-determining cause of everything else in the organism, than they are themselves the result of everything else.

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Of course, we have seen that the equation of mechanical computation with mentality was based on the extraordinarily naïve assumption that machine logic is the essence of thinking and language. But if we can look past this reductionism, what we find is that geneticists have glimpsed more truth than they realize, and the reason for their confusion is that, due to their mechanistic compulsions, they cannot bring themselves to accept their own inchoate insight. If they have been driven to textual metaphors with such compelling, seemingly inescapable force, it is because these metaphors capture a truth of the matter. The creative processes within the organism are word-like processes. Something does speak through every part of the organism — and certainly through DNA along with all the rest. Geneticists are at least vaguely aware of this speaking — and of the unity of being it implies — and therefore they naturally resort to explanations that seem to invoke a being who speaks.

The problem is that their insistence upon textual mechanisms blinds them even to the most obvious aspects of language — aspects that prove crucial for understanding the organism. If I am speaking to you in a logically or grammatically proper fashion, then you can safely predict that my next sentence will respect the rules of logic and grammar. But this does not even come close to telling you what I will say. Really, it’s not a hard truth to see: neither grammatical nor logical rules determine the speech in which they are found. Rather, they only tell us something about how we speak.

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is capitulation all that remains for philosophy?

Yes.

What does science have to say about morality?

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Bull Meets Shovel: Could Consciousness Be A Conjuring Trick?

http://maverickphilosopher.typepad.com/maverick_philosopher/2013/02/bull-meets-shovel-could-consciousness-be-a-conjuring-trick.html

"Not only does Nature fool us into thinking that consciousness is mysterious, when it is not, she also makes it impossible for us to see that this is what she has done. But there may be a loophole: it may be possible to "explain how a brain process could be (designed to) give rise to the impression of having this quality," i.e., the quality of consciousness. By 'impression,' Humphrey means illusion as is clear from his arithmetical example. So what he is suggesting is that it may be possible to explain how brain processes could give rise to the illusion that there is consciousness, the illusion that brain processes have the quality of consciousness.

But this 'possibility' is a complete absurdity, a complete impossibility. For it is self-evident that illusions presuppose consciousness: an illusion cannot exist without consciousness. The 'cannot' expresses a very strong impossibility, broadly logical impossibility. The Germans have a nice proverb, Soviel Schein, so viel Sein. "So much seeming, so much being." The point being that you can't have Schein without Sein, seeming without being. It can't be seeming 'all the way down.'
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Etienne Gilson once said, "Philosophy always buries its undertakers" and it seems this will be put to the test. Neil Degrasse Tyson doesn't think people should study philosophy. Krauss has said philosophers that aren't willing to bend down and fellate Science are just an annoyance.

Whether one gleefully evangelizes self-aggrandizing New Atheism with its questionable Return on Investment, takes up Mad Maxian rants in the style of Benjamin Cain, or jerks off to one's own tears while clinging to the very Scientism that apparently obliterates intentionality...is all that's left for philosophy acceptance that reductionism is the undertaker that philosophy cannot bury?

And, if so, what should materialist philosophers do with themselves? Argue with immaterialist contemporaries they expect to drop like flies in the wake of neuroscience? Fight off the Nihilists?

It would seem that philosophy still has something to tell us about what apparently illusory choices we should make with our apparently illusory free will to be in accord with apparently arbitrary morality.

One might think the Is-Ought Problem, Symbol Grounding, the Hard Problem, the criticism of Memory Traces, and so on would give more philosophers some reason to take pride in their profession, but as Berlinski notes the "desire to think of themselves as scientists" goads them into "accepting their irrelevance."

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Just to be clear, I don't think one needs to follow Berlinski into the realm of thinking Darwin's theory is all "smoke and mirrors".

I'm just curious if mechanistic assumptions, which includes reducibility of all phenomena to physics, are adequate to explain all of reality.

For example, Nobel winner Josephson offers the possibility that QM is more limited than some might assume:

LIMITS TO THE UNIVERSALITY OF QUANTUM MECHANICS

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Niels Bohr's arguments indicating the non-applicability of quantum methodology to the study of the ultimate details of life given in his book "Atomic physics and human knowledge" conflict with the commonly held opposite view. The bases for the usual beliefs are examined and shown to have little validity. Significant differences do exist between the living organism and the type of system studied successfully in the physics laboratory. Dealing with living organisms in quantum-mechanical terms with the same degree of rigour as is normal for non-living systems would seem not to be possible without considering also questions of the origins of life and of the universe.

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The Forum of Interesting Things / Re: The Science of Fandom?
« on: May 23, 2014, 08:25:12 pm »
Struck by Fandom: Between the ages of 8 and 12 many kids fall in love with a sports team, but what makes that love last a lifetime?

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My experience as a professional basketball player showed me a different side of fandom. After starring at an American college, I spent 10 years in Europe playing as a pro. Suddenly, and by suddenly I mean almost the moment I stepped on the court for my first professional game, an invisible wall had materialised, a wall that separated me from the cheering, booing masses. The wall would sometimes vanish for a moment or two, when things were going well, but it always reappeared quickly. As the years passed, I felt myself becoming more and more alienated from the fan experience and, on some level, I even began to resent fans.

I retired from professional basketball a few years ago, a move that gave me some much-needed distance from the player-fan dynamic. Having seen both sides of this strange social relationship, I have lately begun to wonder: what does it mean to be a fan?

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Just to point out Berlinski does have science skills.

Here's his critique of mind-is-computer-program & evopsych:

Berlinski's On the Origins of the Mind

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...“there appears to be something hard-wired into humans that gives special attention to negative information.” There followed what is by now a characteristic note: “I think it’s evolutionary biology.”

Negative campaign advertisements are the least of it. There is, in addition, war and male aggression, the human sensitivity to beauty, gossip, a preference for suburban landscapes, love, altruism, marriage, jealousy, adultery, road rage, religious belief, fear of snakes, disgust, night sweats, infanticide, and the fact that parents are often fond of their children. The idea that human behavior is “the product of evolution,” as the Washington Post puts the matter, is now more than a theory: it is a popular conviction.

It is a conviction that reflects a modest consensus of opinion among otherwise disputatious philosophers and psychologists: Steven Pinker, Daniel Dennett, David Buss, Henry Plotkin, Leda Cosmides, John Tooby, Peter Gärdenfors, Gary Marcus. The consensus is constructed, as such things often are, on the basis of a great hope and a handful of similes. The great hope is that the human mind will in the end find an unobtrusive place in the larger world in which purely material causes chase purely material effects throughout the endless night. The similes are, in turn, designed to promote the hope.

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Dr. David Berlinski: The Devil's Delusion: Atheism and Its Scientific Pretensions

Eric Metaxas and Socrates in the City present an evening with Dr. David Berlinski at the Union League Club in New York City on June 12, 2012.

I like that he specifically notes the question is whether the place of the human can be anywhere other than the margin. Or as Catling would say:

It was almost midnight when he left the table and sat down to the piano with a cigar. She went to the window and walked out into the glittering night. The city was already sleeping, and the heavens took up the sound of the creatures below, the stars making a notation of their trills and bells that rang in the darkness like glass. Whispers of Satie joined them from the room, and there seemed, in this inimitable moment, to be an agreement between time and the proximity of all things, as if clumsy humans might have a place in all this infinite, perfect darkness, if only they played at the edge. Out of sight, blindfolded, and in agreement.
 -The Vorrh

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Philosophy & Science / Sciborg's Singularity Thread
« on: May 22, 2014, 12:16:35 am »
David Chalmers: "Simulation and the Singularity"

Chalmers' makes a good point that simulated evolution is probably the best possibly path to conscious AIs, assuming you believe in such things. (I don't, for reasons given by Lanier)

Note that this depends at least partially on Chalmers' division of the Hard and Easy problems of consciousness. As such, one might want to consider Lowe's There is No Easy Problem of Consciousness:

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This paper challenges David Chalmers’ proposed division of the problems of consciousness into the ‘easy’ ones and the ‘hard’ one, the former allegedly being susceptible to explanation in terms of computational or neural mechanisms and the latter supposedly turning on the fact that experiential ‘qualia’ resist any sort of functional definition. Such a division, it is argued, rests upon a misrepresention of the nature of human cognition and experience and their intimate interrelationship, thereby neglecting a vitally important insight of Kant. From a Kantian perspective, our capacity for conceptual thought is so inextricably bound up with our capacity for phenomenal consciousness that it is an illusion to imagine that there are any ‘easy’ problems of consciousness, resolvable within the computational or neural paradigms.


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Philosophy & Science / Re: Ken Wilber
« on: May 21, 2014, 07:42:56 am »
I've heard good things, read a little but wasn't particularly interested in the message at the time.

I'm starting to lean back into indeterminism, that reality is a garbled mess, so I'm willing to see if Wilbur can make sense of it.

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Remembering Albert Camus and Longing for the Old Atheism

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To begin with, Camus was humble about his unbelief, recalling Benjamin Constant's caution that there is something "worn out" about being too intensely against religion. Camus freely admitted that he didn't believe in God, but he chose to speak "in the name of an ignorance that tries to negate nothing." In other words, his own lack of faith did not presume that others must be wrong about theirs -- certainly not in a way that he could prove with certainty. For this reason, he resisted "atheism," adopting instead the mantle of the "unbeliever" (incroyant)

One need not be religious, nevertheless, to appreciate how religion contributed constructively to civilization and contemporary life. As a young university student in French-Algeria, Camus completed a thesis exploring the relationship between Neo-Platonic and Christian metaphysics. A central figure in this study was St. Augustine whom, as a fellow Algerian, Camus held a great affinity. According to biographer Herbert Lottman, St. Augustine was, for Camus, "the 'bishop' of North African writers, whether believers or non-believers. Camus saw in this saint the artist with all the strengths and weaknesses of the 'African' Camus felt himself to be." Camus was especially taken by Augustine's searching inquiry into the problem of evil. Contrary to new atheists like Hitchens -- who suggests that religion is the carrier of plague -- Camus recognized that evil is a human problem. As Dr. Rieux remarked in Camus's superb novel The Plague, "each of us has the plague within him; no one, no one on earth is free from it." Camus, like Dr. Rieux, shared the same questions religious believers ask; he just couldn't accept their answers -- or their hope. He found consolation not in the faith of Job or the salvation of Christ but in Sisyphus: the prospect that, through rebellion and endurance, Sisyphus could be happy.

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The Not-So-Distant Future When We Can All Upgrade Our Brains:

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/05/upgrade-our-brains/362057/

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In a decade, cognitive enhancement may have gone mainstream. Pills can already help you stay up longer, bring more focus to your work, and who knows what else. But what might sound good on an individual level could create societal disruptions, or so Palo Alto think-tank the Institute for the Future proposes in its latest Ten-Year Forecasts.

As a result, the Institute has proposed that the world's citizens need a "Magna Cortica."

"Magna Cortica is the argument that we need to have a guidebook for both the design spec and ethical rules around the increasing power and diversity of cognitive augmentation," said IFTF distinguished fellow, Jamais Cascio. "There are a lot of pharmaceutical and digital tools that have been able to boost our ability to think. Adderall, Provigil, and extra-cortical technologies."

Back in 2008, 20 percent of scientists reported using brain-enhancing drugs. And I spoke with dozens of readers who had complex regimens, including, for example, a researcher at the MIT-affiliated Whitehead Institute for Biomedical Research. "We aren't the teen clubbers popping uppers to get through a hard day running a cash register after binge drinking," the researcher told me. "We are responsible humans." Responsible humans trying to get an edge in incredibly competitive and cognitively demanding fields.

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What's the Point If We Can't Have Fun?

http://thebaffler.com/past/whats_the_point_if_we_cant_have_fun

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...American philosopher Daniel Dennett frames the problem quite lucidly. Take lobsters, he argues—they’re just robots. Lobsters can get by with no sense of self at all. You can’t ask what it’s like to be a lobster. It’s not like anything. They have nothing that even resembles consciousness; they’re machines. But if this is so, Dennett argues, then the same must be assumed all the way up the evolutionary scale of complexity...Dennett gets to humans...In Dennett’s formulation,

"Yes, we have a soul. But it’s made of lots of tiny robots. Somehow, the trillions of robotic (and unconscious) cells that compose our bodies organize themselves into interacting systems that sustain the activities traditionally allocated to the soul, the ego or self. But since we have already granted that simple robots are unconscious (if toasters and thermostats and telephones are unconscious), why couldn’t teams of such robots do their fancier projects without having to compose me? If the immune system has a mind of its own, and the hand–eye coordination circuit that picks berries has a mind of its own, why bother making a super-mind to supervise all this?"

Dennett’s own answer is not particularly convincing: he suggests we develop consciousness so we can lie, which gives us an evolutionary advantage. (If so, wouldn’t foxes also be conscious?) But the question grows more difficult by an order of magnitude when you ask how it happens—the “hard problem of consciousness,” as David Chalmers calls it. How do apparently robotic cells and systems combine in such a way as to have qualitative experiences: to feel dampness, savor wine, adore cumbia but be indifferent to salsa? Some scientists are honest enough to admit they don’t have the slightest idea how to account for experiences like these, and suspect they never will.​

Do Electron(s) Dance?

There is a way out of the dilemma, and the first step is to consider that our starting point could be wrong. Reconsider the lobster. Lobsters have a very bad reputation among philosophers, who frequently hold them out as examples of purely unthinking, unfeeling creatures...But in fact, scientific observation has revealed that even lobsters engage in some forms of play—manipulating objects, for instance, possibly just for the pleasure of doing so. If that is the case, to call such creatures “robots” would be to shear the word “robot” of its meaning. Machines don’t just fool around. But if living creatures are not robots after all, many of these apparently thorny questions instantly dissolve away...

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You could have reawakened the Sheldrake thread with this ;)

But then how would I fit in Chomsky's examination/critique of reductionism offering final answers? :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wMQS3klG3N0

 ;)

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