[The Sharmat]

What will a duniyain see through the IF?

Maybe we'll find out, through Serwe. Though she's only half-Dunyain, to be sure.

[Wilshire]

There is one disturbing similarity between Mandate & Consult,

Nice connections. Maybe The Consult are just an excuse for Seswatha to pursue his rival school from beyond the grave.

Is it possible to go though the Grasping while being not of a Few?

Magic can be done to the non-few, so I imagine that yes, its possible.

Can a generic mandati heart become a base for a second foundation artifact with diluted properties (so grasped ones will relieve the life of, let's say, Drusas Achamian, who sometime dreams of Seswatha's Apocalypse and mostly never about witnessing IF)?

Its possible, though terribly ineffective if the goal was still to see Seswath's life.
On that note, I wonder if the Mandati dream Seswatha's dreams? Would they be able to tell the difference?

Is there any chance of different outcomes after looking into IF?

I think so. Hopefully Mimara looks into it.

Could inchoroi and mangaeccans have mistaken and taken a wrong path?

I'm sure they tried many, many ways to stop their damnation, but that doesn't mean they found the one and only solution to it, if indeed they found any.
The 144k and Garden of Eden mythos seem awfully unscientific for a race of super advanced scientists.

Can a mandate adept take a good path and is there a shortest one?

Not sure what the question is. What do you mean?

What will a duniyain see through the IF?

Goes back to what the IF actually shows, if it is 'correct', and if different races/species/people all see the same thing.

[The Sharmat]

The (normal) Mandati specifically dream only certain important episodes from Seswatha's life. Thus the "Seswatha never shit" saying.

[anasurimbor moenghus]

i think the '144,000 is the very number of doom' saying has to do with trees.
cause on terra there are no gods, or something, and the way everyone exists is that they each have a certain number of trees, or something, that together contain their souls, which is why everyone who is a nonman pretty much only have three gestures that they can do that are different ways of existing, different ways of respecting other persyns. i think there's something like that when there's 144,000 trees left for each persyn no one can lay down anymore. or maybe no one can move. cause i think that when the trees start running out the humyns will start freaking out because trees stand up for us all the time so that we can sit down and lay down whenever we want.

[The Sharmat]

Moenghus...you're mad.

[mrganondorf]

Kellhus will steal the Inverse Fire and reprogram it to show not hell but heaven, compelling all who see it to believe that they will only reach heaven if they give themselves utterly to the Kellic faith

[Wilshire]

Kellic?

Alternatives:
Kellhudisium, Kellistianity, Kellamic

[The Sharmat]

I'm pretty sure "kellic" is actually a unit of currency.

[Wilshire]

I'm pretty sure "kellic" is actually a unit of currency.

This seems correct.


Kellam

[Somnambulist]

kellian

[Simas Polchias]

On that note, I wonder if the Mandati dream Seswatha's dreams? Would they be able to tell the difference?

That depends on Seswatha's skills with lucid dreaming, I suppose. Also that provides us with an explanation of these"prisoner's dreams". There could be a "zero" heart or some other limb, grasped by Seswatha himself. Possibly, as a test of such mnemonic technology?

Not sure what the question is. What do you mean?

That's mostly about duniyain ability to fight with the unfathomable causality by walking the shortest paths. If the IF is an honest damnation-meter, that's a very useful device for these monks, a practical method to map all the darkness that came before them. If the IF is a lying hoax, duniyain are among those few who can reveal deception without succumbing to it.

Goes back to what the IF actually shows, if it is 'correct', and if different races/species/people all see the same thing.

Considering the name of the thread, I cannot resist. Here's two guesses.
1) 42
2) I will be late. Your Solitary God. PS don't feed ciphrangs after your're dead

Kellhus will steal the Inverse Fire and reprogram it to show not hell but heaven, compelling all who see it to believe that they will only reach heaven if they give themselves utterly to the Kellic faith

Considering skin-spies are a keepers of the IF, such theft could turn them into fighter-priest around warrior-prophet. YAY! Badass lackeys for badass boss.

[The Sharmat]

Yeah, the Skin-Spies say they're the keepers of the Inverse Fire...but keep in mind they seem to have no idea what that actually means. Skin-Spies are exceedingly shallow creatures, if Cnaiur's time with them is anything to go by.

kellian

Yeah that's the descriptor used in the books. Kellian Empire is on the map I believe.

[Wilshire]

kellian

Yeah that's the descriptor used in the books. Kellian Empire is on the map I believe.

Yes, Kellian Empire which use the Kellic as a currency, but I was looking for names for a religion with kellhus with modern day suffixes .

[Somnambulist]

Kellhist (Buddhist/Taoist)
Kellestant (Protestant)
Kellindu (Hindu)
Kellinastrian (Zoroastrianism)

[Wilshire]

I like Kellindu