I was thinking more along the lines of the Voice being Korringhus, of whom we know has grasped the Absolute (or maybe the Boy, but I think he has different role to play). I have still not read Kellhus has.
We know Kellhus has seen beyond the Veil, which could very well mean he is not the one behind it.
Very plausible. Indeed, that was definitely my intial impression, that it was Koringhus. But the scene of Saubon reaching back to himself just put me on the track that it was Kellhus himself.
I mentioned it in the Aörsi thread, I think: I think Saubon was ready to fulfil his task, based on the descriptions we receive from the atrocities committed during the Unification Wars. Saubon was broken during TPN and sent on his path. Proyas still isn't because Kellhus didn't need him to be ready until the Dagliash aftermath.
Indeed, both Saubon and Proyas are simply pawns for Kellhus. As is everyone else. In fact, this is something of a cornerstone of my theory, that the Voice is Kellhus and Kellhus himself is actually a pawn
of himself.
The Absolute for the dunyain is becoming a self moving soul. Korringhus perhaps saw the Absolute, or maybe a path to it, but I don't think be became The Absolute himself - or at least we don't know that he did.
Well, I do believe that Korringhus achieved the Absolute, but I don't know what that actually
means, since he achieved it in death. My guess is he is still dead, but his soul is now
free? I don't even know what that means really.
I take the passage as an admission that killing his father was a mistake. You don't call yourself mentally unstable and use that as a justification of taking correct action.
That was my initial impression, but Kellhus is basically whelming Proyas here. It would seem to me that Kellhus actually is "chastising" himself
not for killing Moe, but rather for
listening. Perhaps the subtlety in the difference there is me reading too far in, but it seems that he is using Proyas' morality, that he would be abhorrent to the idea of patricide, to shock and horrify him. I don't actually think that Kellhus regrets killing Moe. In fact, I don't think there would ever have been a different way for the TTT (the Thought itself, not the book, per se) to play out, because Moe was
wrong, there
are violations of Before and After.
He tells Proyas that Heaven is not sane. Why isn't it? Because the voice tells him insane things. Things that shouldn't be possible, like Before and After being false, that killing Moe needs to be done, that allowing Akka to walk free is correct, that allowing Mommen to fall is the path to victory, along with letting Fanayal live all that time. None of these things,
on their own, make sense. In fact, we have commented in the past how
insane some of them seem. Yet, it is how it
needs to be. Kellhus cannot have a rival (he must kill Moe), he must allow Akka to be "free" (to impregnate Mimara), let Fanayal live (it will draw out Yatwer in a round-about way), etc. The Voice is not sane and it is not sane to listen to it (because how can you know what it says will be true?), but the Voice is
right and it cannot be any other way.
As for who/what the Voice is ... I'm thinking its the same voice he heard on the Circumfix. What agency (person/place/thing/idea?) that might be, I don't know.
Definitely buying the Voice as the same throughout.