[TGO SPOILERS] Aorsi/Dagliash

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« Reply #60 on: August 23, 2016, 07:42:17 pm »
Could be the Ships shields that impacted before the Ark hit.

If we take what we are told at face value, skin-spies are new, so perhaps it is also a rediscovered portion of the Tekne.  Or an amalgam of old parts for a new purpose.  Indeed, perhaps a shield or, I feel, more likely a fuel cell.  Perhaps that's what Aurax has been up to all these years.
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« Reply #61 on: August 24, 2016, 04:27:37 pm »
Sorry I don’t think I was clear there H.

I mean the Arcs shields struck the ground before Arc impact, as they were presumable surrounding the ship.
Hence the story from sources who witnessed the impact of an explosion before the impact of the ship.

I’m not saying the Nuke was some kind of shield generator.


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« Reply #62 on: August 25, 2016, 10:54:30 am »
Didn't Paul also use nukes on his final assault on Arrakis?  :)
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« Reply #63 on: August 25, 2016, 04:56:42 pm »
You mean the Mentat Duke.
Oh I mean the kwisatz haderach who used religion to build an Empire?
Yeah, he nuked the Shield Wall.

Just a few similarities  :)

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« Reply #64 on: August 27, 2016, 08:36:27 am »
So the Consult used a directed energy weapon on the shields the Non-men erected, and it was indistinguishable from atomics. Got it.

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« Reply #65 on: September 02, 2016, 09:44:35 pm »
So Saubon's shieldbearer the Holca, is he a decendent of the Holca from the knife of many hands. Or do all Holca have this rage mode. Because during my reread it seems he "hulks out" (Holca's out?) Right as the bashrag attacked.
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« Reply #66 on: September 03, 2016, 07:59:53 am »
He has the Holcamania, brother. He believes in the three demandments (prayer, training, vitamins) and fears no pain, fears no man. /I'm hungover and I find this hilarious for some reasons. Judge not...
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« Reply #67 on: September 03, 2016, 04:07:02 pm »
He has the Holcamania, brother. He believes in the three demandments (prayer, training, vitamins) and fears no pain, fears no man. /I'm hungover and I find this hilarious for some reasons. Judge not...

OMG perfect. Lmao now I'm picturing Holca horgan. A huge man with little girls doll hair.
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« Reply #68 on: September 06, 2016, 03:25:39 pm »
So Saubon's shieldbearer the Holca, is he a decendent of the Holca from the knife of many hands. Or do all Holca have this rage mode. Because during my reread it seems he "hulks out" (Holca's out?) Right as the bashrag attacked.

This is who the Short story in the anthology will be about.
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« Reply #69 on: September 07, 2016, 11:39:08 am »
So Saubon's shieldbearer the Holca, is he a decendent of the Holca from the knife of many hands. Or do all Holca have this rage mode. Because during my reread it seems he "hulks out" (Holca's out?) Right as the bashrag attacked.

Unclear.  My guess is that perhaps they all have it (since they are legendary just by being Holca), but none more than Eryelk (and so, his decendents).

One thing, he is not the shieldbearer, he is the spearbearer: "his famed Spear-bearer, Thurhig Bogyar, a red-maned Holca warrior, apparently descended from Eryelk the Ravager no less."

This is who the Short story in the anthology will be about.

Yes, the short story will be about the shieldbearer, Ûster Scraul, but he is not the Holca, he's a Kurigalder.
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« Reply #70 on: September 07, 2016, 01:07:53 pm »
Short story?
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« Reply #72 on: September 09, 2016, 07:00:22 pm »


Hmm, in rereading The False Sun, I noticed something interesting:

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Together they pulled down Nogaral, the High Round, raised it into a heap over the mouth of the Well.

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At last they paused to regard their labour, the Inchoroi alighting upon the same spectral floor that bore Shaeönanra. Crimson sunlight bathed the southern ramps, inking the numberless crevices across the wrack and ruin. And they rejoiced, Man and Inchoroi…

They had no inkling of the greater violence their sorcery had unleashed.

The sky cracked. Iros shuddered. The impossible sun tipped and stumbled. Plumes of ejecta exploded from points along the mountain’s perimeter, scarcely visible for the Diurnal’s encompassing glare. The mound that had been Nogaral shrugged then slumped into its contradiction. It was as if a dome of cloth had been pressed into a dimple. Summit became basin. Illumination became shadow. The mountain had been rotten with Viri, its innumerable ways fractured by the cataclysmic impact of the Ark thousands of years before. The underworld mansion imploded, collapsed inward and downward, tier upon tier, hall upon hall, undone by this final indignity. This last outrage.

It seems that something exploded in The Well?


Crackpot incoming...

What if it wasn't a nuke at all that Kellhus found, but the nominal False Sun, buried when the Nogaral was destroyed, and what if KELLHUS made it overload and explode, destroying the horde and killing Saubon, while simultaneously telling his Ordeal to flee to save as much as possible.  Surely Kellhus had heard of the betrayal of Titurga and the False Sun he carried. 

Probably not the case, but an interesting thought.  It wasn't Tekne at all.

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« Reply #73 on: September 09, 2016, 08:14:53 pm »
Welcome to TSA,  gtownwr

The False Sun... It would have had to have been quite the little energy storage device for it to go nuclear like that
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« Reply #74 on: September 09, 2016, 09:21:54 pm »
Crackpot incoming...

What if it wasn't a nuke at all that Kellhus found, but the nominal False Sun, buried when the Nogaral was destroyed, and what if KELLHUS made it overload and explode, destroying the horde and killing Saubon, while simultaneously telling his Ordeal to flee to save as much as possible.  Surely Kellhus had heard of the betrayal of Titurga and the False Sun he carried. 

Probably not the case, but an interesting thought.  It wasn't Tekne at all.

So, when I first read this in the draft, I too thought it was the Diurnal.  Then it blew up and that thought got pushed aside.  The whole scrolling graphics thing made me then think it had to be something other than that.  Kind of weird to bury an ancient Nonman artifact, though, then have Kellhus dredge up another device, from the very same spot. It's just strange to me, but that's just my opinion.

However, this thought just occurred to me, based on what you said, gtownwr.  The Day Lantern is described as showing what appears to be the sun in full daylight, regardless of the fact it was night when Titirga confronted Shaeonanra.  Like a sorcerous Lens, but always trained on the sun. Shae even feels it, the promise of a sunburn.  So, it not only shows the sun, but transmits the heat/uv/energy of the sun.  With this in mind, the device could have been the Diurnal, but 'Lensing' a device located somewhere else.  A detonation of that device would have funneled through the Diurnal to Dagliash.  Maybe causing it to destruct, as well.  A Tekne/sorcerous explosion.  Shae obviously knew of the Day Lantern, and maybe figured out how to divert the subject of the Lens to a nuke instead of the sun.

And here I go debunking my own theory...  The description of the device didn't really sound like what Titirga was holding, but the physical description of the Day Lantern was sparse at best.  Meh.
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