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Dunyain Weakness
mrganondorf:
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--- Quote from: mrganondorf on April 01, 2016, 12:26:45 am ---@ Wilshire - I'm not sure I could provide the proof you want! My reading is that Moenghus is playing a role for the whole conversation. I think that everything he says is a lie.
I agree with you that not even a Dunyain could track every possibility, but the possibility that Kellhus would be broken by the trial would be a big big possibility to ignore. Anywayz, I thinks Moe manufactured the breakdown. I read that final conversation as Moe speaking semi-scripted lines to test if Kellhus will produce the predicted responses. Playing weak is a Dunyain thing!
Hi Blackstone! I find Serwe so fascinating. Maybe she'll be blinded and become a necromancer or Cishaurim.
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I'm in the camp that Moe really was weak for a Cishaurim and that the Psukhe is (on average) one of the weaker magics. I think Moe chose the longest path.
If there was ever a chance to see the Meta-Psukhe, I think it would be with Serwa. She is the only one of the (half) Dunyain to show the requisite passion that would be necessary to be powerful in that magic. But doesn't it require passion in regards to the Solitary God?
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Meta-Psukhe --> KELMOMAS
Meppa raises this crazed child to be humanity's last shot against the Whirlwind!
EkyannusIII:
--- Quote from: Blackstone on April 01, 2016, 02:27:43 pm ---
If there was ever a chance to see the Meta-Psukhe, I think it would be with Serwa. She is the only one of the (half) Dunyain to show the requisite passion that would be necessary to be powerful in that magic. But doesn't it require passion in regards to the Solitary God?
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That should have been Maithanet's moment of awesome. Instead Bakker wasted him.
Cynical Cat:
Lets not get confused over how the Psuhke works and the existence of the Solitary God. The Psuhke's work is, to the best of our knowledge, completely independent of the existence or non-existence of the Solitary God. The Cishaurim believe that their sorcery is the Water of Indara, but Kelhous's explanation indicates that's not how their sorcery functions. Titirga and Fane were both blind men finding sorcery, but Fane also experienced religious revelation while Titirga did not and was instead cured of his blindness and educated as a Gnostic Schoolman. His stain is probably reduced because he has better recollection of the other angles and so his sorcery more closely resembles creation.
Madness:
--- Quote from: Cynical Cat on August 09, 2016, 01:02:44 am ---The Cishaurim believe that their sorcery is the Water of Indara, but Kelhous's explanation indicates that's not how their sorcery functions.
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At this point, either/neither explanation is still possibly false?
--- Quote from: Cynical Cat on August 09, 2016, 01:02:44 am ---instead cured of his blindness
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Always wondered about this. I like locke's thought about vitamin deficiency but I do wonder if there isn't another in-world context that explains it.
Callan S.:
I think Kellhus's explanation is probably wrong - the Cish blind themselves so as to concentrate on what should be, not what is.
That's the contradiction regular sorcery runs into - that they want to change what is, but they want to change it in order to suit other things which just are. For example, walking across the sky - they want to change that you can't walk across the sky, but they want to keep the thing that is - ie, the sorcerer, intact and as is.
The sorcerous mark and damnation may well be separate things. The mark just being the accumulation of contradictions between changing what is but at the same time keeping what is.
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