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Who attacked the Scarlet Spires and why?

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Borric:
We have the account of Eleazaras.
Clearly stating that three Cish walked through a portal into their inner sanctum and proceeded to nuke the joint.
The description of the attackers mentions empty eye sockets (but no snakes around necks)
Also, energy emanating from their foreheads.

So let’s assume it was the Cishaurim.
That would mean Moe was the author of the attack.
Dragging the Spires into the Holy War and providing it, with a powerful enough school to get the job done. 

However, I have heard others state their assumption that the Consult carried out the attack.
That the consult were concerned about a recent development at Shimeh.
Namely the Chishaurims ability (actually its Moe’s Dunyain ability) to discover their skin spies.
And that’s why they were attempting to manipulate Xerius into assisting the Holy War.
If it was the consult, why could Eleazaras see no blemish from sorcery?
Who exactly were these eyeless assassins if not Cishaurim?

So which is it?

Madness:

--- Quote from: Borric on December 16, 2013, 07:40:18 pm ---So let’s assume it was the Cishaurim.
That would mean Moe was the author of the attack.

--- End quote ---

I don't think so?

Xerius was ready to impose the Imperial Saik onto the Holy War via Indenture. Moenghus didn't need to instigate the Scarlet Spires to have a school for Kellhus or the Holy War. Furthermore, if his intention was to convince a school to join the Holy War, he could have somehow manipulated the Mandate into pursuing new Consult Spies to Shimeh when Maithanet declared the Holy War (that actually would have made an incredible read, had the X-Factor of the Dunyain not always being a crucial part of Bakker's plan) (hell, reasons Moenghus didn't do this may even feed into reasons for a party other than the Cishaurim crashing the Scarlet Spires' Sanctums).

Also, there is the discrepancy between Aurang's reminiscence and Kellhus' retelling of his father's narrative, "decades" vs. "twelve years," which casts doubt on the narrative entire.

I happen to believe Kellhus is right about the narrative, excepting the years. But then there's lockesnow's skull to consider, "Kellhus' mis-step" literally following his narration of the Scarlet Spires' attack.

I can't imagine it was the skin-spy anomaly, only because I think the ability to work the Psukhe requires a real (as opposed to Consult created) soul.

Cüréthañ:
Iirc, Kellhus' assertion is that the Cish believed the SS responsible for the first skin spy that Moe uncovered.  Not knowing what it meant, he did not cover it up when he discovered it.
The Cish don't believe the consult are a threat, so attack SS in revenge.  Moe works out what is happening but is unable to stop the primarch and co. from taking this action.

The Cish order the assasination (which occurs some time later) and Moe works the repercussions into TTT.

Madness:
That's the Kellhus narrative, yes.

Cüréthañ:
Which is what I said. :DD

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