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[TGO SPOILERS] Titirga - Cishaurim, Gnostic and Daimotic?
mrganondorf:
--- Quote from: Wilshire on August 12, 2015, 12:37:57 am ---
--- Quote from: MSJ on August 10, 2015, 07:24:13 pm ---
--- Quote from: Wilshire on August 10, 2015, 03:40:21 pm ---What makes Serwa different than other sorcerers and/or Kellhus himself? I'm sure every schoolmen has passion, but Titirga was somehow unique in his ability to mix the two magically, if indeed he was using some kind of psukhe-precursor.
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I'd say that what makes Kellhus and Serwe special is they have no passion. The gnostic is based on meaning and the purity of said meaning. Their able to remove everything they associate with their utterals an inutterals, and its pure meaning. Incandescence geometrics, man!
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That was in response to MG, who seemed to suggest that Serwe would be able to do something similar to Titirga.
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im lost. is Wilshire responding to me? when will TUC be out?
mrganondorf:
--- Quote from: H on August 10, 2015, 08:00:06 pm ---
--- Quote from: gorfnarmordu on August 10, 2015, 07:00:32 pm ---didn't discover it on their own?
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Hmm, well, it is possible that Fane invoked the name Indara solely to bank of already seated beliefs on which to build the Solitary God.
My point was broadly that the legend of the Indara never spawned Psûhke users before though. Something was different with Fane. Considering though that he was a Shrial Priest in the Nansur province of Eumarna, it is unclear if he would have went into the desert with knowledge of the legend of the Indara. Either way, something happened and it wasn't just a function of Kianese culture. Something was particular about Fane.
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cool! i had never thought of "Indara" as anything more than another neato-Bakker-word! so, Fane leaves the 1000 temples because he (she) is disillusioned, wanders into the Carathay, is dying of thirst, is found by an erratic who nurses Fane back to health before blinding him (her) in order to remember, proceeds to teach Fane magyk. the result of an insane immortal teaching a blind religious zealot end up being novel? :)
H:
--- Quote from: mrganondorf on August 31, 2015, 05:02:36 pm ---
--- Quote from: H on August 10, 2015, 08:00:06 pm ---
--- Quote from: gorfnarmordu on August 10, 2015, 07:00:32 pm ---didn't discover it on their own?
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Hmm, well, it is possible that Fane invoked the name Indara solely to bank of already seated beliefs on which to build the Solitary God.
My point was broadly that the legend of the Indara never spawned Psûhke users before though. Something was different with Fane. Considering though that he was a Shrial Priest in the Nansur province of Eumarna, it is unclear if he would have went into the desert with knowledge of the legend of the Indara. Either way, something happened and it wasn't just a function of Kianese culture. Something was particular about Fane.
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cool! i had never thought of "Indara" as anything more than another neato-Bakker-word! so, Fane leaves the 1000 temples because he (she) is disillusioned, wanders into the Carathay, is dying of thirst, is found by an erratic who nurses Fane back to health before blinding him (her) in order to remember, proceeds to teach Fane magyk. the result of an insane immortal teaching a blind religious zealot end up being novel? :)
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I would think it goes a little differently.
--- Quote ---The Prophet of the Solitary God and founder of Fanimry. Initially a Shrial Priest in the Nansur province of Eumarna, Fane was declared a heretic by the ecclesiastical courts of the Thousand Temples in 3703 and banished to certain death in the Carathay Desert. According to Fanim tradition, rather than dying in the desert, Fane went blind, experienced the series of revelations narrated in the kipfa’aifan, the “Witness of Fane,” and was granted miraculous powers (the same powers attributed to the Cishaurim) he called the Water of Indara.
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--- Quote ---The “Indara” refer, in the Kianene tradition, to the “tribe of water-bearers,” a legendary band that supposedly wandered the dunes dispensing water and mercy to the faithful. The designation is critical (according to the kipfa’aifan, it saved Fane’s life), given the importance of tribal affiliation in desert Kianene society.
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So, I think what happens is that Fane is out in the dessert, dying of thirst. He ends up, on his deathbed, staring into the sun and blinds himself. In doing so, he suffers the Revelations, which retrieve him out the other side of madness. Now, here is where it is confusing, either the Indara (or some one) actually come to save him, or he imagines the Indara come and save him (and he actually uses The Water to save himself). Either way, he now has a syncretic way to present the Water to the Kianese, building the Solitary God upon the foundation of already existing beliefs tied into the legend of the Indara and the general sacredness of Water in a place such a Kian.
mrganondorf:
--- Quote from: H on August 31, 2015, 06:41:28 pm ---
--- Quote from: mrganondorf on August 31, 2015, 05:02:36 pm ---
--- Quote from: H on August 10, 2015, 08:00:06 pm ---
--- Quote from: gorfnarmordu on August 10, 2015, 07:00:32 pm ---didn't discover it on their own?
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Hmm, well, it is possible that Fane invoked the name Indara solely to bank of already seated beliefs on which to build the Solitary God.
My point was broadly that the legend of the Indara never spawned Psûhke users before though. Something was different with Fane. Considering though that he was a Shrial Priest in the Nansur province of Eumarna, it is unclear if he would have went into the desert with knowledge of the legend of the Indara. Either way, something happened and it wasn't just a function of Kianese culture. Something was particular about Fane.
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cool! i had never thought of "Indara" as anything more than another neato-Bakker-word! so, Fane leaves the 1000 temples because he (she) is disillusioned, wanders into the Carathay, is dying of thirst, is found by an erratic who nurses Fane back to health before blinding him (her) in order to remember, proceeds to teach Fane magyk. the result of an insane immortal teaching a blind religious zealot end up being novel? :)
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I would think it goes a little differently.
--- Quote ---The Prophet of the Solitary God and founder of Fanimry. Initially a Shrial Priest in the Nansur province of Eumarna, Fane was declared a heretic by the ecclesiastical courts of the Thousand Temples in 3703 and banished to certain death in the Carathay Desert. According to Fanim tradition, rather than dying in the desert, Fane went blind, experienced the series of revelations narrated in the kipfa’aifan, the “Witness of Fane,” and was granted miraculous powers (the same powers attributed to the Cishaurim) he called the Water of Indara.
--- End quote ---
--- Quote ---The “Indara” refer, in the Kianene tradition, to the “tribe of water-bearers,” a legendary band that supposedly wandered the dunes dispensing water and mercy to the faithful. The designation is critical (according to the kipfa’aifan, it saved Fane’s life), given the importance of tribal affiliation in desert Kianene society.
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So, I think what happens is that Fane is out in the dessert, dying of thirst. He ends up, on his deathbed, staring into the sun and blinds himself. In doing so, he suffers the Revelations, which retrieve him out the other side of madness. Now, here is where it is confusing, either the Indara (or some one) actually come to save him, or he imagines the Indara come and save him (and he actually uses The Water to save himself). Either way, he now has a syncretic way to present the Water to the Kianese, building the Solitary God upon the foundation of already existing beliefs tied into the legend of the Indara and the general sacredness of Water in a place such a Kian.
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aw cmon! u know cujara is hiding in the desert!
or maybe when the Heron Spear cracked the Carapace, whoever was in there ran away in the commotion and hid in the Carathay waiting for Fane!
fuck it, u know what i bet it was Seswathat. the real history of the 1st apocalypse is that Ses joined the Consult, provided the umph to get the Mog Project done and then climbed in the Carapace himself. he instantly regrets it. after being set free by the Heron Spear, he founds the Mandate using his spare heart full of false memories, writes the Sagas, alters the Dunyain commune to his purposes, and waits in the desert for a White Luck Warrior named Fane whom Ses will derail from his appointed task.
BLAM! ok Madness, confirm it!
The Sharmat:
--- Quote from: MSJ on August 10, 2015, 07:24:13 pm ---
--- Quote from: Wilshire on August 10, 2015, 03:40:21 pm ---What makes Serwa different than other sorcerers and/or Kellhus himself? I'm sure every schoolmen has passion, but Titirga was somehow unique in his ability to mix the two magically, if indeed he was using some kind of psukhe-precursor.
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I'd say that what makes Kellhus and Serwe special is they have no passion. The gnostic is based on meaning and the purity of said meaning. Their able to remove everything they associate with their utterals an inutterals, and its pure meaning. Incandescence geometrics, man!
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Now we know that Serwe is among Kellhus's passionate children, along with Inrilatas and Kelmomas-Samarmas. So we can't go with this idea anymore. Plus, is their not meaning in passion?
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