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Will Akka and co even make it back to the TS?
H:
--- Quote from: ThoughtsOfThelli on May 29, 2018, 07:41:48 pm ---Everything is possible in the chaos of the Apocalypse, though, it's not like anyone is going to hunt down Akka the Wizard anytime soon.
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Indeed, I mean, what is left in the Three Seas to return to?
If Akka's aim is to be a "modern day Seswatha" I don't know that there is much left in in the former Empire. I mean, I always hypothesized that the Great Ordeal robbing the Empire of it's strength was part of it's narrative role. Now, it is clear why. So, what's left? No nobility, no military strength.
Zeüm has it's own troubles. The Fanim are probably the best hope, really. Perhaps that is the role of Meppa and so Mimara. He "vision" is probably as close to a real prophet of the Solitary God as has ever existed (Fane included).
ThoughtsOfThelli:
--- Quote from: H on May 30, 2018, 11:49:41 am ---Indeed, I mean, what is left in the Three Seas to return to?
If Akka's aim is to be a "modern day Seswatha" I don't know that there is much left in in the former Empire. I mean, I always hypothesized that the Great Ordeal robbing the Empire of it's strength was part of it's narrative role. Now, it is clear why. So, what's left? No nobility, no military strength.
Zeüm has it's own troubles. The Fanim are probably the best hope, really. Perhaps that is the role of Meppa and so Mimara. He "vision" is probably as close to a real prophet of the Solitary God as has ever existed (Fane included).
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There's still a fair chance that they'll return, find what people they can to join them (before the No-God gets to them) and then move everyone to a safer place. Maybe Zeüm, assuming someone can handle the Malowebi demon (whose only target was the royal family - granted, this is likely going to result in many casualties among the Mbimayu as they try to stop him).
That's a good point about the Great Ordeal. Always a risk when you take almost all of the capable warriors and mages available along with you (not that Kellhus cared). This is more of a problem in the case of the sorcerers/witches, as it seemed like Kellhus really took almost every single one of them along with him on the Ordeal (presumably even not "almost" in the case of the witches, I doubt there were any left behind).
I figure that the only sorcerers potentially left by now in the Three Seas (not counting the ones who might have escaped the "salt and butchery" at the end) would be either elderly ones no longer physically capable of travelling with the Ordeal (such as say, Nautzera, if he's still alive?) or very young, very unexperienced (likely not even fully trained) ones.
As armies go, they are very depleted on that regard, but then I remembered Nurbanu JoeZe led a contingent of Jekki in the Ordeal. I'd guess that said contingent wasn't particularly large, so maybe going to Jekhia wouldn't be a waste of time? (again, geography, etc., I might be spouting out complete nonsense)
I still wonder how they're going to meet up with Meppa (or Meppa with them). That will be an interesting meeting. Usually a Cishaurim would not even think of working with the likes of Akka and co. (not to mention the woman who directly attacked him with a Chorae...), but these are desperate circumstances, after all.
I can't even remember where Meppa was the last time we saw him...was it Iothiah? Could Kellhus have "stashed" him somewhere else before he went to get Esmenet and Kelmomas at Momemn?
profgrape:
--- Quote from: ThoughtsOfThelli on May 30, 2018, 12:38:48 pm ---
--- Quote from: H on May 30, 2018, 11:49:41 am ---Indeed, I mean, what is left in the Three Seas to return to?
If Akka's aim is to be a "modern day Seswatha" I don't know that there is much left in in the former Empire. I mean, I always hypothesized that the Great Ordeal robbing the Empire of it's strength was part of it's narrative role. Now, it is clear why. So, what's left? No nobility, no military strength.
Zeüm has it's own troubles. The Fanim are probably the best hope, really. Perhaps that is the role of Meppa and so Mimara. He "vision" is probably as close to a real prophet of the Solitary God as has ever existed (Fane included).
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There's still a fair chance that they'll return, find what people they can to join them (before the No-God gets to them) and then move everyone to a safer place. Maybe Zeüm, assuming someone can handle the Malowebi demon (whose only target was the royal family - granted, this is likely going to result in many casualties among the Mbimayu as they try to stop him).
That's a good point about the Great Ordeal. Always a risk when you take almost all of the capable warriors and mages available along with you (not that Kellhus cared). This is more of a problem in the case of the sorcerers/witches, as it seemed like Kellhus really took almost every single one of them along with him on the Ordeal (presumably even not "almost" in the case of the witches, I doubt there were any left behind).
I figure that the only sorcerers potentially left by now in the Three Seas (not counting the ones who might have escaped the "salt and butchery" at the end) would be either elderly ones no longer physically capable of travelling with the Ordeal (such as say, Nautzera, if he's still alive?) or very young, very unexperienced (likely not even fully trained) ones.
As armies go, they are very depleted on that regard, but then I remembered Nurbanu JoeZe led a contingent of Jekki in the Ordeal. I'd guess that said contingent wasn't particularly large, so maybe going to Jekhia wouldn't be a waste of time? (again, geography, etc., I might be spouting out complete nonsense)
I still wonder how they're going to meet up with Meppa (or Meppa with them). That will be an interesting meeting. Usually a Cishaurim would not even think of working with the likes of Akka and co. (not to mention the woman who directly attacked him with a Chorae...), but these are desperate circumstances, after all.
I can't even remember where Meppa was the last time we saw him...was it Iothiah? Could Kellhus have "stashed" him somewhere else before he went to get Esmenet and Kelmomas at Momemn?
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Meppa was last seen in Fanayal's tent outside of Momemn. Which shortly thereafter was quaked and flooded. But I agree that he still has a part in this story and really like the idea of him being a latter-day Fane.
On the Malowebi-demon causing trouble for Zeum, I'm not so sure it's going to happen. For one, it's a really long way from Momemn to Zeum -- thousands of miles overland through inhospitable territory or a fairly long sea voyage. And for two, who's to say whether the Cant binding head to body would last beyond Kellhus' death -- it seemed like Iyokus' death effectively freed the Ciphrang he'd summoned at Golgatterath.
That's not to say all will be well in Zeum. The NG's presence means that Kellhus was right about the threat from Golgatterath. And that their Successor-Prince is either dead or in great peril. I'm actually curious whether the NG's advent would cause Zeum to send ships to try and rescue Zsoronga? Could be how Akka and co make it to Zeum.
ThoughtsOfThelli:
--- Quote from: profgrape on May 30, 2018, 03:12:29 pm ---Meppa was last seen in Fanayal's tent outside of Momemn. Which shortly thereafter was quaked and flooded. But I agree that he still has a part in this story and really like the idea of him being a latter-day Fane.
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Good to know I was completely mistaken. ;) But yes, Meppa has to return at some point. Him being Fane 2.0 is just icing on the cake, there's still so much that could be done with him.
--- Quote from: profgrape on May 30, 2018, 03:12:29 pm ---On the Malowebi-demon causing trouble for Zeum, I'm not so sure it's going to happen. For one, it's a really long way from Momemn to Zeum -- thousands of miles overland through inhospitable territory or a fairly long sea voyage. And for two, who's to say whether the Cant binding head to body would last beyond Kellhus' death -- it seemed like Iyokus' death effectively freed the Ciphrang he'd summoned at Golgatterath.
That's not to say all will be well in Zeum. The NG's presence means that Kellhus was right about the threat from Golgatterath. And that their Successor-Prince is either dead or in great peril. I'm actually curious whether the NG's advent would cause Zeum to send ships to try and rescue Zsoronga? Could be how Akka and co make it to Zeum.
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While I agree on that something could happen to the Malowebi demon before he even got to Zeüm (that journey will indeed last a while - unless Kellhus made it so that he could travel faster than a human or something), I don't think Kellhus' death effectively nullifies him. Malowebi's own severed head still retained awareness after Kellhus' death, so who's to say that the demon wouldn't remain active too?
On Iyokus and the Ciphrang, it was not as much Iyokus' death freeing the Ciphrang as it was the weakened barrier between the Outside and the real world (due to Golgotterath being a topos) leading to the Ciphrang escaping Iyokus' control and killing him (and now I sound like Bakker with the whole "X was not as much Y as it was Z" thing...).
No place is safe, but I think Zeüm may remain out of immediate peril (from the No-God, not counting the demon here) for quite a while. The No-God is going to target the Three Seas first.
Zsoronga is dead, and I think that Zsoronga's father was fully aware this was a definite possibility when he surrendered him as a hostage and then sent an emissary to deal with Kellhus' most outspoken enemy. I doubt anyone is going to come back for him, he was the sacrifice the Satakhan had to make (and he does have at least one other son to succeed him, Malowebi refers to Zsoronga as "the Satakhan's eldest son" at some point in TUC).
TheCulminatingApe:
--- Quote from: profgrape on May 29, 2018, 07:28:44 pm ---The idea of spontaneously gaining new powers in times of stress is more in line with the Psukhe. Although now that I think about it, Akka stumbling on the Psukhe sounds really cool... :-)
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That would be great ;D
--- Quote from: profgrape on May 25, 2018, 09:27:53 pm ---Wouldn't they want to head someplace where they could at least mount some sort of resistance?
Instead of the TS, they might leave Atrithau, head south, skirt west of the Sea of Jorua and then cross the unnamed tributary into High Holy Zeum!
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Zeum would be the obvious candidate for any resistance on a large scale, as it is the likely the only place with any significant organisational structure left. Also, I want to to see Zeum :D
--- Quote from: ThoughtsOfThelli on May 30, 2018, 03:25:10 pm ---While I agree on that something could happen to the Malowebi demon before he even got to Zeüm (that journey will indeed last a while - unless Kellhus made it so that he could travel faster than a human or something), I don't think Kellhus' death effectively nullifies him. Malowebi's own severed head still retained awareness after Kellhus' death, so who's to say that the demon wouldn't remain active too?
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The demon was presumably sent for a reason, which must have been something other than simple revenge. I doubt Kellhus would be that bothered by the Satakhan breaking a treaty, when the Ordeal is within striking distance of Golgotterath.
Just a hunch, but I think there is something significant in Zeum
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