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Will Akka and co even make it back to the TS?
TheCulminatingApe:
--- Quote from: ThoughtsOfThelli on May 30, 2018, 08:03:05 pm ---I could see Kellhus doing it just for revenge, "decapitating" Zeüm by getting the whole royal family killed. He still went back to kill Fanayal and Psatma Nannaferi, so why not the Satakhan and his family as well? I might be in the minority here, of course.
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Seems less of a direct threat. Malowebi was just observing as I recall.
TheCulminatingApe:
--- Quote from: profgrape on May 31, 2018, 01:15:35 am ---
--- Quote from: MSJ on May 30, 2018, 10:54:06 pm ---Concerning demon Malowebi, Kellhus specifically told him to end the ruler of Zeum's line (family). Nothing more, nothing less. Unless he can communicate by some other means, I don't see demon Malowebi doing anymore than Kellhus bid. After all, thats how all of the Ciphrang Ioyukus summoned behaved. They follow orders to a T, and because they want released back to the Outside. They hate being in the World.
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Random question: is Likaro in the line of Nganka'kull? Or are cousins exempt? Because if not, "curse Likaro" is going to take on a whole new meaning.
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I'd take the line of Nganka'kull as people descended from him (kids and grandkids) - i.e. there's a line back. So if the demon follows instructions to the letter, the whole family wouldn't necessarily get killed. Zsoronga might in trouble though if he survives the Ordeal.
We are assuming that the line of Nganka'kull doesn't have some specific in-world meaning
ThoughtsOfThelli:
--- Quote from: TheCulminatingApe on May 31, 2018, 07:56:13 pm ---Seems less of a direct threat. Malowebi was just observing as I recall.
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Sure, but the Satakhan still sent Malowebi to Fanayal after he'd made a treaty with Kellhus and sent his own son to the Ordeal as a hostage. Kellhus does have a point here. A less direct threat is still a threat.
--- Quote from: TheCulminatingApe on May 31, 2018, 08:01:32 pm ---I'd take the line of Nganka'kull as people descended from him (kids and grandkids) - i.e. there's a line back. So if the demon follows instructions to the letter, the whole family wouldn't necessarily get killed. Zsoronga might in trouble though if he survives the Ordeal.
We are assuming that the line of Nganka'kull doesn't have some specific in-world meaning
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I'd say the same, but who knows what Kellhus actually meant by those words. He might have meant the looser interpretation, that is "everyone in Nganka'kull's family".
Nitpicking/speculating, I know, but I'm assuming Nganka'kull might not even have any grandchildren if Zsoronga was his eldest son and he was around 16 years old during TAE. Well, unless he has daughters that are older than Zsoronga who have kids of their own. We just don't know. Zsoronga never mentions any of his relatives besides his father (and his mother in a throwaway line), so he could have many siblings, uncles, aunts, cousins, etc. we don't even know about.
Am I the only one who thinks Zsoronga is dead? Seriously, several people mentioned him as having died in TUC. I'm not imagining things here, right? Kellhus strung up Proyas in a way that wouldn't result in (immediate) death, not so much in Zsoronga's case. Pretty sure he's dead, unless something very unexpected (that we don't know about) happened.
It could have an in-universe more specific meaning, but, at least for now, we don't have any reason to assume so. :)
TheCulminatingApe:
--- Quote from: ThoughtsOfThelli on May 30, 2018, 08:03:05 pm ---
--- Quote from: TheCulminatingApe on May 30, 2018, 07:02:46 pm ---Just a hunch, but I think there is something significant in Zeum
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Something like sorcerous secrets, is that what you were thinking of?
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Not sure really.
We have Domyot, the capital of Zeum, which is the Black Iron City (and built close to a Non-Man Mansion)
We have the Black Iron Seat of Ishterebinth, created when a set of gates were blasted with the Sun Lance.
We have the No God with its Sarcophagus, sometimes described as being of black iron.
Is this just a coincidence?
Out of world, we have the "Black Iron Prison" of Philip K Dick, which as I understand it is a description of the material world and the systems which prevent people going beyond it, to something more spiritual. I've never read anything by Dick, so I might be barking up the wrong tree, but it does sound quite Consulty to me.
TheCulminatingApe:
--- Quote from: ThoughtsOfThelli on May 31, 2018, 08:11:26 pm ---Am I the only one who thinks Zsoronga is dead? Seriously, several people mentioned him as having died in TUC. I'm not imagining things here, right? Kellhus strung up Proyas in a way that wouldn't result in (immediate) death, not so much in Zsoronga's case. Pretty sure he's dead, unless something very unexpected (that we don't know about) happened.
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I forgot all about that :-[
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