Bakker answered this in the AMA and the Q&A thread. Nau-Cayuti and Kelmomas have the same brain structure as the original insertant (who was lost during Arkfall).

Well, I read through both of those and must've missed that.

Perhaps this is what you mean?

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Quote from: H on July 29, 2017, 06:57:10 am
I don't have a question prepared on short notice, so the first thing that comes to mind is to ask about Ark.  It was my presumption that the No-God apparatus (the sarcophagus) functioned differently before Ark-fall.  My supposition would be then that while Ark was fully functional, the souls of the Progenitors would have been contained therein, meaning that on other worlds, it would have been unnecessary to find a suitable surrogate.  Of course, the presumption then would be that what makes a soul a suitable alternative is not specifically Anisûrimbor blood, but rather similarity to the Progenitors.  Could this be an accurate summation?

Plug and play, basically. Having lost the original store of circuits, the Consult had no choice but to keep rummaging through the heap the World provided. The Anasurimbor, for whatever reason, have proven apt historically.

Doesn't seem that cut and dried to me.

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Wouldn't it have to have existed? The Dunyain acknowledge the No-God is necessary for shutting the Outside

For them, in their current situation. It doesn't necessarily mean that it was so before, when the Ark was operational.

Perhaps. I think the question remains one way or another, what unique aspect of even Nau-Cayuti, allowed him (and later Kelmomas) to become the No-God where those thrown in for over a thousand years were insufficient. I can buy the idea that Ark served the function of the No-God and they didn't have one before. But it still doesn't answer what about Nau-Cayuti worked.

+1.  Those other victims were surely brutalized in the same way as Nau Cayuti.

In the interest of provoking more discussion it might be worth noting that the only confirmation of the Mutilated's assertion that it was NC in NoGod1.0 is Akka's dream. We still don't have the vaguest clue where that information comes from ... and we know that they have contradicted themselves before - when Anaxophus did not use the Heron Spear ... and so the DreamsFromTheSheath may not be trustworthy. No idea where to take this train of thought from here, but...

Celmomas has got a lot more similarities with his (K) namesake, twinsouled, dead-brother, direct lineage. Perhaps he is the key here.

Huh, well maybe he changed his mind since writing and disseminating that timeline with the rape of Omandelia. Maybe he's just being contradictory to evoke mystery.

Kelmomas is certainly and odd kid, but we have no similar peculiarities hinted about about Nau-Cayuti or Kellhus. Of course, the Consult tortured the heck out of Nau Cayuti for five long years before they decided to chuck him in the carapace, they never thought there was anything that special about him. Yet the Mutilated talk like it's fairly obvious that Nau Cayuti was the appropriate Subject and seem to have based their strategy on using Kellhus as the proper replacement. Were the Gods blind to Nau Cayuti? Maybe. Are they blind to Kellhus? Nah.

I guess I can see maybe three similarities between these three Subjects that we could say have been sufficiently foreshadowed.
1) They are Anasurimbor and Ancestor Lists are Very Important.
2) They are all genetic prodigies and/or mad.
3) They represent the hope of their peoples. (Yeah this one is pretty weak)

The other option is to accept that the Mutilated based their strategy on the Celmomman prophecy showing Kellhus as the Harbinger. Which seems pretty dumb tbh, seeing as Kelmomas isn't in it.

Aside:  Isn't it also weird that it's the C and K's in the glossary that get switched up. Then we have (C)elmomas and (K)elmomas. 2spooky Bakker!

@Khaine, agree on the Sarcophagus, but I also concede it might have to do with Mimara and her use of Chorae via the Eye. The Consult seem to have info on her that the reader lacks (referring to Aurax talking to Skinspy in TGO)

@Cynical Cat, +1. Somewhat ironic that the magic the Hundred employ (WLW, godspit and Psatma leap to mind) also leaves no Mark.

As an aside, perhaps it is simply that sorcery leaves a Mark only when the sorcerer uses language. I believe Gnostic and Anagogic schools both use dead languages for the Uterals - that's a pretty strong link to a lot of  dead and dawned souls really.

Akka stays true to himself. Holds vital info about the NG, says nothing.

Kellhus trying to justify his ends.

I was looking forward to this scene but the plot gags their conversation pretty hard imo.

Quote from: Monkhound on August 13, 2017, 06:41:20 pm

From the very first mention in the book, I've always read the Nail of Heaven to be an equivalent of the Polestar/ Polaris, the way it's used in navigation.

Yes, but the variation of its light intensity before the crush of the Ark implies some relation.

Is it a portal/wormhole? Is it an inchoroi spacial station?

I'm slowly becoming convinced that Earwan astrophysics are as different from our own as the metaphysics.

The speculation from Ajencis on the origin of the Ark really pushes this, because it reveals that there are no other visible celestial bodies in the sky besides the stars and moon. And yet, the Ark was damaged by the 'shoals'. Whatever they might be...

Quote from: Cüréthañ on August 06, 2017, 09:10:16 pm

The non-men who were exposed believe oblivion is a lie, but we have seen that even erratic can attain it.

Since that's the only one we've ever seen manage it, for all we know only an erratic could attain it.

I honestly don't think we have enough information here to answer why the Inchoroi aren't ciphrang.

You are missing the point. The mechanics of avoiding damnation are not important.

We know the Inverse Fire is a tool of control. It's a compelling truth, but not the whole truth. Any Dunyain knows the value of partial truths in conditioning via deception.

The Inchoroi are conditioned to believe there is only one way to save their souls because of that. Extermination.

We know that Oblivion is an option. They deny that.

We know that Redemption can come from the one God or the Hundred. They say EVERYONE is damned forever.

We know you can level up your soul. They aren't interested.

Logical induction dictates being careful with immortality means not dying means no damnation. They would rather render themselves extinct trying to shut the world.

Maybe exterminating everyone and erasing history will work to save their souls, maybe they are doing it to free the progenitors from Hell, or maybe the progenitors just want to terraform planets.

Point is, their mission is focused to one goal only, the Inverse Fire is there to keep them on track.

Happily for them, the Dunyain want to do the same thing in pursuit of a Self Moving Soul. The Inverse Fire is barely required to get them to join according to Kellhus PoV in TTT.