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The Slog WLW - Chapter 8 [Spoilers]
themerchant:
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--- Quote from: themerchant on April 13, 2016, 07:21:20 pm ---Moe the younger is Cnaiur's Son.
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Indeed, I am in idiot. Early morning posting takes it's toll...I'm going to edit...
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I've edited as well let's purge it :D
H:
--- Quote from: themerchant on April 13, 2016, 07:21:20 pm ---
I'm not sure we can believe Uncle Holy, the text notes these tiny pauses in his answers, which may or may not mean anything.
I can't work it out :)
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I think that his pauses are actually him trying to figure out that Inrilatas is really after with all this, rather than him concealing anything. The scene strikes me as him actually being quite forthcoming to try to divine what the hell this this all about...but again, that could just be window-dressing.
Still, Maitha seems to me to really just be forthright here and there is little to point us to him having lied.
MSJ:
I've never once thought that Maithenet was lying about anything. I simply have always believed it to be Esme's paranoia and Kel's manipulations. If only Thelli had read his face......
Blackstone:
--- Quote from: H on April 13, 2016, 07:28:58 pm ---
--- Quote from: themerchant on April 13, 2016, 07:21:20 pm ---
I'm not sure we can believe Uncle Holy, the text notes these tiny pauses in his answers, which may or may not mean anything.
I can't work it out :)
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I think that his pauses are actually him trying to figure out that Inrilatas is really after with all this, rather than him concealing anything. The scene strikes me as him actually being quite forthcoming to try to divine what the hell this this all about...but again, that could just be window-dressing.
Still, Maitha seems to me to really just be forthright here and there is little to point us to him having lied.
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Agreed!
Also, I don't think Kellhus's odds are that good. There are all the nameless ones to consider.
--- Quote from: H on April 13, 2016, 05:16:41 pm ---
--- Quote from: Blackstone on April 13, 2016, 03:25:23 pm ---I totally agree. I think we talked about this in another thread. I think the WLW succeeds in killing Kellhus. But, as you say, the question is whether it matters by the time he gets around to doing it. (But note: my favorite crackpot theory right now is that Kellhus is sucked back in time and imprisoned in the Carapace to walk the world as the No-god, and that the final series is entitled "The First Apocalypse.")
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While that is interesting, I hope not. Time travel just seems kind of silly to me.
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Glad we can draw a line somewhere ;)
--- Quote from: H on April 13, 2016, 05:16:41 pm ---
--- Quote from: Blackstone on April 13, 2016, 03:25:23 pm ---I have a bit of a problem with this. I just finished a re-read of TDTCB, and Kellhus clearly has feelings and passions as a child. In fact, a lot of the training he undertakes as a young Dunyain is to overcome his passions. As late as the climax of TDTCB, when Kellhus is thinking about that meditation exercise (the logos is without...), he is having feelings. So the "blood" really only has to do with their physical and mental advantages, not emotional "advantages."
So why are some of his children born without the ability to feel human emotion? Authorial inconsistency?
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I think it has to do with the inherent instability of the hybrids that the Dunyain are inevitably breeding. Indeed, the fact that most women they try to reproduce with tend to end up with nonviable mixes, producing freakish or at best completely imbalanced children seems to imply some genetic incompatibility. The results are probably pretty typical, really.
If we can believe what Maitha tells us about Moe's children, his rate of success was 1/6. Kellhus' actually seems only slightly higher, at 2/6 (Kayûtas, and Serwa) but I think that might speak more to something special about Esmenet than Kellhus. Still, I think that ultimately, what the Dunyain think they are doing isn't really what they are doing. I think there is more metaphysical things going on then just the training that they go through, just the training tends to sharpen it.
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While you have a point, I'm not sure that does it for me in the category of credibility :-\ I can see the physical defects but the emotional defects seem odd. Why are the hybrids more "Dunyain" at birth than the originals?
H:
--- Quote from: MSJ on April 13, 2016, 07:48:03 pm ---I've never once thought that Maithenet was lying about anything. I simply have always believed it to be Esme's paranoia and Kel's manipulations. If only Thelli had read his face......
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I would think she has though, at least at some point, even inadvertently. Thing is Kel has manipulated Esmenet to the point of such distrust that she won't believe anything unless it confirms what she is imagining is going on. Since Inrilatas is the "best face reader" she believes he can see what Theli can't. Thing is, Theli didn't see anything because there is nothing to see...
--- Quote from: Blackstone on April 13, 2016, 07:50:58 pm ---Also, I don't think Kellhus's odds are that good. There are all the nameless ones to consider.
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Yeah, that's why I say I think it is something special about Esmenet, rather than Kellhus that gives rise to even potentially viable children.
--- Quote from: Blackstone on April 13, 2016, 07:50:58 pm ---Glad we can draw a line somewhere ;)
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I can take a lot for granted, but time travel just isn't one, 8)
--- Quote from: Blackstone on April 13, 2016, 07:50:58 pm ---While you have a point, I'm not sure that does it for me in the category of credibility :-\ I can see the physical defects but the emotional defects seem odd. Why are the hybrids more "Dunyain" at birth than the originals?
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Yeah, I don't know really. Perhaps because of some kind of interplay between the differences in Nonman emotion and human? It's unclear really. Theli shows signs of being something near autistic though, which makes it really uncertain just what, exactly, is wrong with her. We just know she isn't right...
Perhaps too much Nonman in the mix? Perhaps too little human? It could be nearly anything, but I feel it's got something to do with the whole Anasûrimbor blood thing.
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