I apologize as there are a number of 'Nonmen &' threads around; much of the possible subject matter will overlap here so at some point later I will consolidate the various threads here as well (especially as Auriga might jump on this, having returned).

I want to speculate about the societal organization of the Nonmen pre-Womb Plague.

I was reminded about this in a few paragraphs of The Republic of Thieves and it's something I have thought on for some time now.

My first contention is that Nonmen experienced a rigid-caste system with Quya at the top. Sorcerous ability is in-part hereditary and the Quya are a hereditary caste. High Ainon serves as a metaphor for the Nonmen Mansions. Quya rule.

Also, the Nonmen don't seem to use Chorae. Mind you, we've not seen an Ishroi who isn't also a Quya. But it would make sense that if Quya are nobility and the Chorae were invented and then barred in their civil wars, then Quya rule.

Hrm. I'll see what thoughts accumulate.

I think this is a very important discussion. The Tusk says that Nonmen are False, which isn't true. Also, Nonmen society stumbles over Topoi and (maybe, simultaneously) Damnation. Arguably, only the Quya have to worry about Damnation. Yet all these issues will find themselves central to the events in Ishterebinth in TUC.

Also, solo should be a requisite for the pit.

I'm sure you're notorious considering all your old posts were moved and quoted in this place.

Welcome back, brethren. So glad you've remembered yourself... and returned Intact!

There's also mention of a Meppa River, if I remember correctly? [Honestly, probably in this thread. Going to look.] [There is not and I remember where that was mentioned. In any case, retracted. The argument was that if the Scarlet Spires cast by analogy than maybe Meppa is a river.]

Meppa as the innovator of the Meppa Cataract is interesting, though.

My issue, specifically, is that Fanayal doesn't know who Meppa is... in that, I don't see how Meppa could have been one of the Primaries during Fanayal and Kascamandri's reigns as Padirajah.

Wow... seeing Kelmomas and connecting that child-image to his works... Chilling.

Amazing, Cishaurim, Quinthane.

I too would pay for art of Earwa - you artists should seriously consider consolidating a number of instances, we can collect fan-fiction and essays, and see about publishing it to support Bakker. It's not so impossible/improbable.

Wilshire, when Cnaiur kills Panteruth when Cnaiur and Kellhus are climbing into the Hethanta Mountains . Panteruth also initially captures Serwe when raiding the Empire.

Can I turn this topic around (if it hasn't been done before)?  Who introduced you to the Bakkerverse?

My father was the one that delivered the above mentioned favor.  He recommended the book to me under the pretense that it was "dark" enough to pique my interest.

I was out looking for some new books, hitting all the authors alphabetically I used to rigorously check out (before I started reading non-fic, fairly religiously). In my wandering through, finding nothing, I saw this beautiful black cover. Pulled it down. Read the jacket. Read some random open pages in the prologue and during the first two chapters somewhere. Put it back. Two weeks later, still hadn't found something new to grasp my attention. I saw it again when I returned. Finished it in two shifts at the gas station I worked at. Bought TWP. I thought initially that a WLW-esque (true appendage of Gods) was going to be TWP before I began reading that one - it was a mild disappointment then that it just described Kellhus' rise but now we have the WLW and Mimara so I was more than equally pleased.

I had to wait for TTT but then I literally read the books like back to back to back twice over course of a couple months before I realized a) that there was another series and this wasn't a standalone trilogy - mind blown - b) and that the Three-Seas forum existed - I had not the care enough for other books to talk about them online yet.

/monologue

Sounds like we had a similar upbringing, FB.

Our experience of time is nuanced, to say the least. There's a fair bit of literature.

Sorry, not at all doing your post justice but I thought I'd pop in with a time-perception comment. We certainly seem to have the capability of processing much more information, quicker, than we do on a regular basis.

And, Royce, DXM , not DMX.

Dogs Are People, Too.

http://fcmconference.org/img/CambridgeDeclarationOnConsciousness.pdf - 'Cause it doesn't seem to have been here before.