See, but then why wouldn't they find anyone across 2000 years with the Judging Eye? I mean there have been others, otherwise Akka wouldn't know of it. Who went into the original carapace (OC) in the first place? Nayu's wife? Now that I might be able to get behind. Maybe.

I think it's a crapshoot. So much history is buried under layers of lies agreed upon and God knows who will actually pen them down. The idea of Noble Lies comes to mind. People need to believe in something, even if it's not necessarily the truth as seen by an objective universe.

Here is one such example, there are others. But, if something later becomes holy, we have to assume that whatever comes about from the GO - civilization goes on and the GO was holy.

Quote

Vast herds of sheep and cattle, bred solely to accompany the march, were also beaten across the horizon, so many that some Men of the Ordeal began calling themselves ka Koumiroi, or the Herdsmen—a name that would later become holy.

Yeah, holy in histories. According to Men. Holy to them. The holy gold standard is Mimara. Without her, everything is suspect. What men feel is holy is not necessarily so. After all, a good chunk of the Tusk is basically Inchie propaganda.

Quote from: H on July 30, 2016, 12:55:53 am

Ok, so post TGO, what are people's feelings on Kellhus.  Is he the savior of the world or it's literal end?

The savior, yet he is the literal end of the Gods. Remember, whatever comes about of the GO is holy!

Holy according to who or what?

Is there a reason I have forgotten why Nonmen didn't at least try to spawn a race of Men-Nonmen Hybrids after the Womb-Plague?

It still can be, but I feel like NG's presence is unique to Earwa and its sorcery. Soul sorcery produces the weirdest toys from what we've seen so it would fit in my mind.

I think it depends on the composition of Kellhus's soul, if strong and damned souls can turn into Ciphrangs...what would that make of Kellhus? It's important to consider I think, the primary reason we're enslaved to the power of darkness is that we're basically unable to reorganize how our brains will process the inputs it receives. Not self-willingly I mean, this is why I feel if anything we made in RL to have true free will or at least closest thing to it, would be uhh an AI, but that's neither here nor there. The Dunyain, well...they've been getting very close to it if I understood Koringhus neural OS correctly. I also feel like this is why WLW/Yatwer was stymied by little Kel, he's got two competing threads running and while they are basically predictable their interaction probably screws with complexity because as you said souls are of the Outside and two of them communing in one body screws with cracking the code of the world.