- How the Gods perceive historical events?

Just saw this video and deemed it a good, though not perfect visualization. Gods percieve historical events all at once -- and the main layer of percieving is the cause-and-effect changes after divine intervention and/or mortal sorcery hacking.
I.e. if gods would change blood's colour in the middle intro from red to green, all subsequent intros will instantly become with green blood, while still being with red. And this is the world of gods, so to speak. It's not the plot or the actors of the film they see, but red2greed swaps -- a complete image of all possible interruptions in all possible historic events. Like the war of edits, lol, on the popular wiki-site.
Maybe, they have something commond with mortals here? Like people have TDTCB, The Hundred don't know about their initial solitarity and thus cannot to see/to intervene before dissolution or to know about consolidation. Maybe it's even a cycle with solitary god just wishing himself into existence from the primordial pool of lesser godling and decaying into it. This perfectly limits The Hundred power, nor they are capable of creating the whole World / Outside system, nor they are fit for breaking or reforming it. They are just bound around the top of it's food chain.

So, basically, perception of gods is akin to nonmen erraticism, but on a larger-than-whale-moms metaphysical scale.
Being broken things, they are especially reduced by perfection (you can't say all-seing without saying all).

> WHAT AM I

CHIM ZERO SUM

sorry couldn't rezist
too disappointed after the book

Yes, that's the information we had from before, but on page 186 (TUC paperback):

Yep, I've just done a little part of quoting these guys' statuses without conjectures.
Now is conjectures' time! :з
It's a mistake, it's a retcon, it's a different timeline (poor excuse or great plot layer, lol).

The No-God would be a boot-sector virus then. Overwritting everything with nothing. What do you see? What do you read in computers terms? Not zero, or even one, but no value NULL. Earwa would then be the kernel code and killing everything under 144k would trigger some ROM only reboot.

Aww. I like your elaboration so much.

I tend the model the Progenitors as basically post Singularity types.  They probably *were* the Ark.  Like, with their technology they can probably swap their flesh forms around like changing a hat.  The truest version of them would be the pattern in the computer banks.

So the Progenitors could be still present or reacheable? In lack of proper term, of course, for they could be far beyond the problems of physical death and consciousness containment.

I have this suspicion because after TUC even space-faring Inchoroi don't look competent enough to understand/remember about their creators/creation. They are just a mad battle cancer and their crash-landed mowglis are even less, a weak pugnacious cancerette. Fleshnexus like Sil can rally fleshnodes like Aurang. They can use their combined mass and knowledge to cannibalise tekne recognisable & suitable for their level of existence (energy weapon & mid-tier genetics, 'horde' mentality & 'purpose' concept). And all the same they loose to a natural-selection specie with slavery, spears and chariots. More than that, they've needed a help of a second natural-selection specie to be freed from imprisonment by first natural-selection specie and to implement some high-tier tekne from 'their' past. Inchoroi are so lost space puppies, actually ready to die in their master's absence on his favourite couch.

Or maybe they are just a runaway fleshsuit... I wonder, did Aurang and Aurax ever repeated lines like "WHAT DO YOU SEE" in unison with possessed srancs hordes in Seswatha memories or in direct descriptions of First Apocalypse? If yes, that's it. No-God in not a metaphysical device, it's a over-protected form of existence. There is no god inside sarcofagus, thus the ancient inhabitant(s) are safe from hungry demons. To look out of sarcofagus, they need a special soul -- a kind of conduit strong enough to bear their damnation while they use it as a cable from Nowhere&Never to Here&Now. To act out of sarcofagus, they need a fleshnet: inchoroi, wracu, sranc. And all that stuff like "WHAT DO YOU SEE?" -- it's just a static, an engine humming, a cable heating. If so, earwans never met inhabitant(s) of sarcofagus as inchoroi never knew them, even while whirlwind walked and talked on Earwa / some other planet. Maybe there is no possibilty for such communication at all because of tv tropes article.

Oh. There is certainly a special kind of hell for digressions like mine. :c  plz sorry everyone

So, returning to the inchoroi blindness about their creators. How could the black goo inside these vats know something about this cute sleeping fellow? No, it could not. Different layers or reality. Too different. I hope we'll have them in the next books. >:з

Dunno how to actually react to the TUC, fellow second-apocalyptians.

On the one hand, lots of question were not just left unanswered -- but universally tossed aside, we'll possibly never know about them. On the other hand, it's just how the most of reality works and good books always use this flaw as benefit.
On the one hand, I've felt myself robbed of Golgotherrat Consult and in a manner somehow similar to Isterebinth Nonmen -- drooling idiots in a dusty corner, oh my, and with so few possibilities to gaze upon them. On the other hand, Second Apocalypse was always like an awesome encyclopedia of crippled badasses to me, so it's still cool. Also, after TGO I've thought nonmen intact are done, but no, they've made a nice part in the final battle, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Aurang, arise!
On the one hand, I'm completely confused. Mostly because of power-level uncertainty. Is Kellhus still an uber-controlfreak, who knew about everything (Kel's strangeness, Sorweel's godmade face, dunyianization of Consult, Ajokli's plans) and made preemptive measures, using everyone as parts of tTT? Or he's actually reached his limit? Speaking plainly, is Kellhus still a measure of everything or he is not? On the other hand, TUC is not an actual book, but an overgrown second part of TGO+TUC, so I'm betting on the complex re-read.

For now I'll just go & start filling my instagram with appropriate art.
The Second Tiny Ordeal begins.

First, we have the interesting "revelation" that the Sarcophagus is a prosthesis of the Ark.  In other words, it is a part of the Ark itself.
But wait, it goes further...why does the No-God need a soul in it at all?  How did that work on other worlds?
So, what kind of soul is needed to do so?  Presumably one that is suitably close to Ark's original one.  And if the DûnSult are right and the Progenitor's sin was to stray too close to Absolute, then the surrogate soul needs to also be suitably close to the Absolute too.

In the last pages of TUC I've got a certain vibe about reality as a computer simulation and Ark as the extra-earwan project to crack this simulation from inside not unlike the earwan Duniyain Endeavour (or that certain Agent, who pwned the whole Matrix by becoming the every possible part of it). Glossary bits about "system" only solidified that impression. Thinking this way near-Absolute souls look like detonating fuses or spark plugs, a means for chain reaction when nothing can dominate everything.

Now I'm coming to something of a paradox here.
Is it possible to arrange a crippled, enslaved self-moving soul?
For No-God looks like both at the same time. A big BSOD.

1) We don't pick up at all. Witn accordance to my under-nick-title, I'm quite happy about this ending. World is shut, everything is ok. Why wish for more? Nopeity-nope.
2) We pick up thousands of years later. Like a sequel about space refugees from Earwa, who suffer semantic apocalypse and dissapear in favour of the sentient space ship resembling the-Arc-before-the-Fall.
3) We pick up thousands of years earlier. For Apocalypse in unceasing and cannot be cut in two.

Proyas had gone grey, hair and beard by the first chapter of TJE, now his hair's black again.

Damned skinspies.