[TGO Spoilers] The Prince of Hate

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« on: July 14, 2016, 07:28:32 pm »
Previous thread here.

No not that one,CNAIUR.

I'm not entirely sure how i feel about meeting one of my favourite characters of all time or that's he is more damned than Nil'giccas having lived about 1% of the time.

Not that I didn't think he would be damned mind you.

I see him maybe as the Gollum, almost like Ajokli. An Agency to himself and his hate. Not caring about the results of his actions. He just has mission now.

As they wonder themselves what does it mean for him and Akka to meet up thousands of miles away from home 20 years later on the eve of the apocalypse.

I'm glad he is alive since he is so damned.

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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2016, 07:52:56 pm »
Why more damned than Nil'giccas?

Smoking swazond, yes (badass as hell). But more damned?
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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2016, 08:18:35 pm »
That's what Mimara said, Wilshire.  She had seen Nil'giccas with the Judging Eye too for comparison.  I forget which chapter, I think the penultimate Slog chapter in WLW, Mimara sees all of the Skin Eaters.  The Eye knows.

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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2016, 09:32:33 pm »
Why more damned than Nil'giccas?

Smoking swazond, yes (badass as hell). But more damned?

just check the quote on the covers you printed out :P

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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2016, 09:34:53 pm »

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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2016, 03:45:36 am »
I had assumed she was lying to appease his ego.

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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2016, 12:53:14 pm »
Ah, yes, that quote. Well, she has seen Ironsoul and Nil'giccas, so I assume that those are included in her comparison. I concede :)

Unfortunately, your question remains unanswered. My guess is it must have something to do with the swazond.
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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2016, 01:14:07 pm »
I was just musing I don't really have a question, feck trying to guess what Cnaiur is going to do :P

His hate dwarves that of Ironsouls though. It's going to be a great reunion of everyone. Wonder if Sarl will appear.

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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2016, 01:20:42 pm »
Seems fair. Cnaiur's got a big future in the afterlife as a Ciphang if y'all ask me.
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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2016, 03:07:16 pm »
Well they think of him as a "hero" if Big Moe hadn't came and wrecked his head. So he might very well have a "strong soul".

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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2016, 03:34:54 pm »
Still have about six chapters to go in my first official read but:

Well they think of him as a "hero" if Big Moe hadn't came and wrecked his head. So he might very well have a "strong soul".

This reflects Eskeles' breaking of the pottery to show how different "shards of the God of Gods" (the Ur-Soul) find expression in the world.

Aside, I really enjoy how as we read these books we perceive most, if not all, characters to be fallible in their understanding of the world due to their nature and nurture and then Bakker will retroactively validate something a character said or saw that the reader dismissed due to the person who said or saw it.
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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2016, 10:48:15 pm »
Nil'Giccas had been a paragon of the Nonmen before falling to the dolour and becoming Cleric, most likely Mimara saw him as damned because of his mark and the treatment of the Emwama over hids thousands of years of life......the Breaker of Horses and Men, not such a great guy after being Dunyain mind fucked.

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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2016, 07:46:54 am »
Well, a hero of the Scylvendi is still going to heap themselves in damnation.

But yeah, I think Scott refers to the fate of people like Cnaiur in the Q&A;

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As I think I mentioned in response to Locke's question on topos, the boundaries between the World and the Outside can also wear then with individuals, and not simply places. Those souls that are too strong to eat, that go on to become Ciphrang, sometimes begin the transition before they kick the bucket.
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« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2016, 04:25:09 pm »
I'd imagine there is more to the swazond that we don't know yet.

I find it incredibly interesting that Cnaiur gave Serwe one true swazond.
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« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2016, 05:10:50 pm »
I'd imagine there is more to the swazond that we don't know yet.

I find it incredibly interesting that Cnaiur gave Serwe one true swazond.

Me too. Bakker says Serwe is a cipher. I think it's more than her innocence. Most people just dismiss her, because of her fawning over Kellhus. I think everyone should try and see what makes her so important.
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