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Earwa => The Great Ordeal => The Aspect-Emperor => TGO ARC Discussion => Topic started by: Wilshire on May 15, 2016, 12:37:21 am

Title: [TGO SPOILERS] ... (and other criticism of TGO)
Post by: Wilshire on May 15, 2016, 12:37:21 am
If I had one criticism, it would be the potentially egregious overuse of ellipses.
Title: Re: ...
Post by: Madness on May 15, 2016, 06:00:22 pm
Why "..." ? We can't have a legit criticisms thread?

EDIT: I'm thick. Your ability to meta is beyond my ken.
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Post by: Wilshire on May 15, 2016, 07:11:30 pm
lol man its because I was complaing about the ellipse.

I can change the thread title to criticism though. That's the only one I got though.
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Post by: Madness on May 16, 2016, 12:23:29 am
lol man its because I was complaing about the ellipse.

Lol - nah, I got that as per my edit ;).
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Post by: H on May 16, 2016, 02:18:48 pm
I don't mind it...in fact, I kind of like it, even if it is slightly...overdone?
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Post by: Wilshire on May 16, 2016, 03:15:03 pm
There just seemed to be ... a lot of them.  Like using the same adjective over and over, it looses some of its punch.

But nothing builds suspense quite like ... an ellipse!
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Post by: Hirtius/Pansa on May 17, 2016, 08:29:15 pm
I wish there was a way to annotate and give corrections back to Overlook.  So many missing umlauts or umlauts where there shouldn't be.  Missing apostrophes.  "Kjineta" vs. "kijneta."  The past participle of "sow" for agriculture is "sown" not "sewn." Uuuugh.  Just a few off the top of my head.
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Post by: H on May 17, 2016, 08:32:31 pm
Well maybe the final will have some edits...
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Post by: Wilshire on May 17, 2016, 08:54:24 pm
I wish there was a way to annotate and give corrections back to Overlook.  So many missing umlauts or umlauts where there shouldn't be.  Missing apostrophes.  "Kjineta" vs. "kijneta."  The past participle of "sow" for agriculture is "sown" not "sewn." Uuuugh.  Just a few off the top of my head.
"Uncorrected Proof" - hopefully they fix it in the final version.
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Post by: Hirtius/Pansa on May 17, 2016, 09:23:44 pm
Yeah, and in the final edition of WLW, Achamian and Cleric are fighting a sorcerous "dual" over the ruins of Sauglish. :P  I know it's an uncorrected early edition, but Overlook haven't exactly endeared me to them with the handling of this manuscript, and I want this book to be in the most pristine condition state possible.  Whatever—I know it's just hot air on my part.
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Post by: Wilshire on May 18, 2016, 02:36:45 am
I hate overlook more than most people, I feel ya.
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Post by: Madness on May 19, 2016, 12:48:10 am
Yeah, and in the final edition of WLW, Achamian and Cleric are fighting a sorcerous "dual" over the ruins of Sauglish. :P  I know it's an uncorrected early edition, but Overlook haven't exactly endeared me to them with the handling of this manuscript, and I want this book to be in the most pristine condition state possible.  Whatever—I know it's just hot air on my part.

I'm glad you've returned, HP.
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Post by: Blackstone on May 19, 2016, 10:40:19 pm
Ha ha ha. Yeah, it bothered me too, but not as much as the overuse of the word "wrack."
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Post by: Madness on May 21, 2016, 11:47:32 pm
For my part, I believe "dread" and "ere" were what I picked up on.

But Bakker's response to me then is born out now: different readers are bothered by the frequencies of different words.
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Post by: Hirtius/Pansa on May 22, 2016, 02:02:07 pm
Perhaps some continuity issues:
Late Summer
Late Summer
Late Summer
Early Autumn
Early Autumn
Early Autumn
Early Autumn
Late Summer
Early Autumn
Late Summer
Late Summer
Mid-Autumn
Early Autumn
Late Summer
Early Autumn
Late Summer
Mid-Autumn
Late Summer

 ???

Some weird issues.  Akka and Mimara see the mushroom cloud in Autumn but apparently the nuke disrupted the flow of time because the Ordeal is struggling in Summer the next chapter.  And then encountering Cnaiur rewinds time.  The date in a few chapters is notated as 4123.
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Post by: Wilshire on May 22, 2016, 03:12:09 pm
Yeah I'm sure that's a problem. I doubt it'll be corrected though, too bad.
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Post by: Madness on May 22, 2016, 04:13:24 pm
That was one I specifically caught and commented on regarding my reorganizing the chapters of the draft :(.

EDIT: The Achamian/Mimara/Mushroom cloud discrepancy.
Title: Re: ... (and other criticism of TGO)
Post by: MSJ on June 06, 2016, 08:47:46 pm
If I had one criticism is that TGO/TUC was never split........oh, wait it never was split was it? Its how Bakker intended it all along. Silly me.  :-[
Title: Re: ... (and other criticism of TGO)
Post by: Wilshire on June 06, 2016, 08:53:01 pm
If I had one criticism is that TGO/TUC was never split........oh, wait it never was split was it? Its how Bakker intended it all along. Silly me.  :-[
I'll rebind it for you however you want when its all done :)
Title: Re: ... (and other criticism of TGO)
Post by: MSJ on June 06, 2016, 08:54:50 pm
If I had one criticism is that TGO/TUC was never split........oh, wait it never was split was it? Its how Bakker intended it all along. Silly me.  :-[
I'll rebind it for you however you want when its all done :)

Good Man!
Title: Re: ... (and other criticism of TGO)
Post by: Madness on June 07, 2016, 12:10:29 am
If I had one criticism is that TGO/TUC was never split........oh, wait it never was split was it? Its how Bakker intended it all along. Silly me.  :-[

Lmao - I know we haven't talked yet, MSJ, but you at least read the stickied post, right? Sorry, I couldn't just be upfront :) - I really think that Bakker's response to H today on his blog is the first time he's actually publicly clarified that.

If I had one criticism is that TGO/TUC was never split........oh, wait it never was split was it? Its how Bakker intended it all along. Silly me.  :-[
I'll rebind it for you however you want when its all done :)

Good Man!

Wilshire's Questionable Quality Bookbindery (And Maybe Someday Apiary) at your service ;).
Title: Re: ... (and other criticism of TGO)
Post by: MSJ on June 07, 2016, 02:00:03 am
Lmao, yes, I read it Madness. Then felt like a ass. Life....it always evens out, you know?
Title: Re: ... (and other criticism of TGO)
Post by: Madness on June 07, 2016, 04:39:30 pm
Lol. You're telling me :).
Title: Re: ... (and other criticism of TGO)
Post by: SilentRoamer on July 04, 2016, 08:01:28 pm
The one thing that annoyed me were the double words.

They-they and things-things like that. It almost felt like there was a reason for it and became annoying for me.
Title: Re: ... (and other criticism of TGO)
Post by: Madness on July 05, 2016, 02:11:35 pm
Was that only Theliopa?
Title: Re: ... (and other criticism of TGO)
Post by: SilentRoamer on July 05, 2016, 02:33:19 pm
No Madness there were a number of instances where this was other characters dialogue. It seemed to be obvious to me to have a deeper meaning or significance. I think it might be a way of Bakker showing us perception flaws from a Whelming or something. It was noticeable though so I'll try dig a few quotes out. I remember it not just being spoken dialogue but inner monologues as well.

Title: Re: ... (and other criticism of TGO)
Post by: Wilshire on July 06, 2016, 05:42:10 pm
The one thing that annoyed me were the double words.

They-they and things-things like that. It almost felt like there was a reason for it and became annoying for me.

Was that only Theliopa?
In the Mimara TGO Poster the quote there has a repeated hyphenated word in it.
Title: Re: ... (and other criticism of TGO)
Post by: MisterGuyMan on July 11, 2016, 07:02:48 pm
It's a minor gripe but reading The Great Ordeal really made me dislike the title for "The Whiteluck Warrior" since he died without much impact to the story.  He killed Maithanet, true, but all the other topic titles referred to concepts with much more far reaching impact.  The Warrior Prophet might be an exception but that was the entire focus of the book.  Every other title is about huge game changers in the world and they're all relevant in every book that comes after it.  The Shortest Path would have been a much better title IMO.
Title: Re: ... (and other criticism of TGO)
Post by: Madness on July 11, 2016, 10:55:46 pm
Unrelated aside, but apparently Bakker never liked the title The Great Ordeal when it was a placeholder for The Judging Eye.
Title: Re: ... (and other criticism of TGO)
Post by: Wilshire on July 12, 2016, 02:51:14 pm
It's a minor gripe but reading The Great Ordeal really made me dislike the title for "The Whiteluck Warrior" since he died without much impact to the story.  He killed Maithanet, true, but all the other topic titles referred to concepts with much more far reaching impact.  The Warrior Prophet might be an exception but that was the entire focus of the book.  Every other title is about huge game changers in the world and they're all relevant in every book that comes after it.  The Shortest Path would have been a much better title IMO.

I think the WLW and his death had pretty far reaching implications. His death seems to indicate even Yatwer is not omnipotent, and she is as blind to the darkness as everyone else. That's a game changer.