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The Unholy Consult / Collapse of Object and Subject
« on: June 21, 2021, 03:45:59 pm »
Not sure if we've ever figured out why the original insertant and lil' Kel were able to operate TNG. We've been talking about it in Facebook and bringing it here in case some of you are not in the FB group. Could it be that a twin killing their twin causes their consciousness to collapse with their unconsciousness which then makes you invisible to the gods since you wouldn't have a soul any more ( soul destruction? or does it go somewhere? ). If this happens to you, then your conscious and unconscious minds would be objectively aware of each other and can even talk to each other. So the original insertant and the dude 2,000 years ago ( forget his name ) were both twins who murdered their twin, obj/sub collapse, their soul is gone and then can operate TNG. TNG is invisible as well as the insertant is - explains why the Luck Warrior couldn't see Lil' Kel, was invisible to the gods since his ojb/sub collapsed. So back in the day, the Consult couldn't figure this out and just sent a horde of people through trying to find someone who could turn it on. If they knew this was how to make it work, they would've simply found twins and engineered one to murder the other.

General Misc. / Crash Space or just politics?
« on: February 03, 2021, 04:05:26 pm »
So, the crazies, I mean the very nice people who follow Q and Proud and whatever, have they:

a) always been here, just variations of the same throughout human history
b) what R's been talking about for years now, chaos resulting from Crash Space
c) something new, growing chaos from something ( rapid technological advances leaving people behind, killer robots, AI, etc )

I concede I'm not an expert on R's non-fiction reads, so I may be misinterpreting it ( my previous queries into this field, notwithstanding - I forget, get confused ). Crash Space, from how I (mis)understand it is the psychological blow back of scientific discovery stressing religion. As more lose faith, it can lead to a trauma and to nihilism. The possibility of life having no meaning will trip us up and many may go crazy, doubling down on religious identity to the point of violent absurdity, failures of institutions and the like.

If I got this Crash Space stuff right, I think there's something to it and what we've been seeing could well be the effects of this phenomena. We've "known" politicians can be goofy, but it was always kinda on the sly and though there was corruption, society seemed to move along - now we're seeing unashamed jelly-fish people lead us, just a naked self expression for power absent any concern for the consequences in broad daylight. Not sure which is worse, the cynicism of taking advantage of the mad herd or those who actually believe and fight for it. It's really something.

General Misc. / How would you end it
« on: November 30, 2020, 05:11:30 pm »
Putting this in General as I don't think we have a fan fiction section ( I know, FF is crap, but since we have so much time on our hands waiting for the next installment, FIT! ). How would you end the series? Feel free to include as much detail as you like, total free form question here.

General Misc. / Politics
« on: May 16, 2020, 11:48:49 pm »
At risk of ruining our run of uninterrupted civil discourse of all things mind, I'm becoming a bit of a stoic in my age toward politics, more interested now in how people are political than being political, myself: the effectiveness of propaganda, the source/cause of cosmology, the parallel of increased political participation with partisanship.

This is pretty cool, you're political identity from the date you were born. If you were born 1950 - 1954, you're likely Democrat now, but before and after you're likely Republican up until 1980. The coming of age for those born in early 50's was the late 60's.

Philosophy & Science / Lying
« on: March 22, 2020, 07:26:57 pm »

TLDW: We lie mostly not because we're "bad"/immoral, but because our consciousness is asleep. Less judging and more wake up calling is most effective ( please be honest, tell me what happened ).

From your friendly BS ( Behavioral Scientists ).

General Misc. / Strings
« on: February 24, 2020, 05:51:33 pm »
So we don't know where thoughts come from. What is your best guess? Select "You" if you think you ever, even just once in your lifetime, create your own thought(s).

General Misc. / D&D module "inspired" by PON?
« on: September 14, 2019, 06:33:17 pm »
Anyone here play D&D? I'm going through the Tomb of Annihilation adventure and me thinks the "Soul Monger" creature/thing has a tie into PON. Could be coincidence, I guess. Something ( I haven't completed the adventure yet, but there's evidence suggesting it's a Lich - that and the fucking module cover has a picture of a Lich on the front ) has figured out how to steal souls and when they began to do so, Resurrection Spells/Magic stopped working and instead the deceased person's soul goes to the Soul Monger instead of the Outer Planes ( Heave, Hell, etc ). This soul stealing has the odor of TNG soul reading, shutting the world, womb plague to me.

General Misc. / Lunch Date
« on: April 27, 2019, 12:27:58 pm »
If you like, comment how you think the conversation would go, kind of food you would order, etc. I picked Inrilatas as I felt he was one of the more under-utilized characters in the story. I was surprised by his limited role and felt he had so much more to say/contribute.

General Misc. / Is anyone else blown away by this or is it just me?
« on: October 29, 2018, 03:10:21 am »
Apologies for the click-bait title, but all of this thinking going on in recent posts has got me thinking again on something I find truly fascinating. Mind you, I'm no scientist, so I'll be murdering what I'm trying to express, so be patient with me. What we perceive is not the "real" world. The real world is just a bunch of atoms/molecules generating forces. So if there are enough atoms close enough ( and if we saw them for what they really are, still not very close as 99% of matter is empty space ), then the forces reach our eyes and our eyes "sends information" about the forces impacting them to the brain and our brain cooks up the image of the object - a desk, let's say. The shape, the color, the perception of density - all constructed for our consciousness to allow us to interact with the desk. And how the desk feels aligns with how we perceive it - it's like it really is what we're "looking" at. But it's not, it's a cluster of atoms/molecules that send forces. Sound, just more forces. So why has evolution yielded this cognitive capability to some extent to all animals? Yes, evolving the capability to generate pictures from these atoms/molecules is key to survival - but why does life want to survive? And replicate? And ensure the survival of the species? This is far more fascinating than simply believing in a God ( for which I do ).

General Earwa / Are we still on Moenghus Sr TTT?
« on: September 05, 2018, 12:25:16 pm »
Has anyone ever mentioned anything about Leweth's dialogue with Kellhus where he mentions "The forest seemed to... beckon to me..." or something like that?

It sparked some thoughts about whether or not it could be reference to Moenghus preparing the way.

... Moe Sr will still save us all

Somehow moenghus engineered the death of leweths wife knowing he would move to the remote country side and eventually encounter his son whom he would need 30 years later

We could well be on Moe Sr's TTT. A few things may have tripped him up ( going blind for the wrong reasons - but this may be part of the path, I found it curious he would make that error, to not understand the Psuke and himself to know it would be folly - so could be part of the "plan". Kellhus's madness threw him and he had to recalculate on the fly - maybe he figured out his son was possessed and recalculated he had to have his son kill him to reorient the TTT to continue? Or appear to kill him? The Chisarum were very good at cloak and dagger, people hiding in other people, etc.

General Misc. / Bullshit?
« on: August 22, 2018, 04:27:53 pm »

General Misc. / Quotes
« on: May 29, 2018, 05:34:12 pm »
I love quotes. Love the quotes before each chapter in PON and Dune. Love them from all walks and times. So I'm starting a thread to collect cool quotes.

General Misc. / Board Games and Miniatures
« on: December 18, 2017, 06:24:23 pm »
Starting this thread off Q conversation, here are some miniatures I had professionally painted. The first 3 are from a game called Kingdom Death: Monster. 2 and 3 are the same figure painted by 2 different artists. The 4th is from Malifaux.

The Unholy Consult / For those of you who hated the ending …
« on: December 18, 2017, 04:08:44 pm »
This post is a “guess” … which is to say I don’t know Bakker, nor can I read the man’s mind. Over the past few months I’ve seen some criticism of the work on plot and clarity and hope to rope some of you back into enjoying these books and look forward to more, as I do.

Bakker has been presenting the coming/happening of what he calls The Semantic Apocalypse on 3 Pound Brain. He’s leveraging a “Bulls-eye” approach in that medium; he’s telling you exactly what it is, that it’s happening, why and how it’s happening and his concerns about it. I think he knows he’s losing a lot of people with that discussion and he’s not surprised by it. He’s simply showing us something most ( if not all ) of the rest of us cannot see because we’ve never looked at something like this before ( or more accurately, we’ve not used our “eyes” in a way beyond what evolution has yielded us ). He’s pointing right at it, but we’re looking up, down, behind us, eyes closed, right at it but not understanding it – his “pointing”, precision, is not good enough to get us to see it.

The books are an alternative approach to showing us this Semantic Apocalypse. By using tools such as obfuscation, misdirection, inconsistency, deception and lies, he’s having us follow him through the forest to get to “it”; since the bull’s eye approach is failing him, he’s trying to jar us into understanding using a medium so many enjoy. This is why he says those who are most put off by the books are actually “getting” the story better than those of us who don’t. Which is to say, those who are pissed off with the ending of TUC, et al are actually following him to see what he sees. The rest of us not so disappointed are risking not ever getting “there” … by trusting him too much we could be cheapening the experience taking a shortcut to the destination, missing the richness of the journey ( which is designed to enhance our “sight” ) and may still not get it once we arrive. Those of us ( like myself ) who enjoy the details so much, we risk never even arriving ( wandering around the forest, following our own path, too easily amused  ). He’s not a sadist, he’s getting no pleasure from this. He’s alarmed and doing his best avoiding the Casandra trap ( clairvoyance without believability ), he genuinely needs more brains on this to vet this out so we/humanity have a chance to adapt and survive it.

If you’ve read this far ( i.e. 7 books ), considering not giving up and continuing. Yes, our beloved hero is salt. Yes, there’s a lot of crazy shit that doesn’t make sense. Keep going and bring your anger/disappointment with you – we may find something of what he’s going on about together. Some of the richest insights into the work have come from the harshest critics.

General Misc. / Art
« on: October 24, 2017, 10:04:52 pm »
Art - what is it, what makes "good" art, is there such a thing as "bad" art ( and simply "not" art ) and does Bakker's works qualify as "Art". While I don't think there is "bad" art, but simply something is or isn't art. That said, after reading Abercrombie, I like stealing his term "High Art" to differentiate between good and great art ( if you haven't read The First Law, I'm not using High Art accurately to those books - just like the phrase and am using it for my own purposes here ).

I would say Art is anything that connects with humanity in a poetic way - which is to say connecting at the human sphere/level. As the reality of my humanity, what it is that makes me "human" touching others' humanity either as shared or unique.

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