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The Knife of Many Hands [Spoilers]
Wilshire:
--- Quote from: Francis Buck on January 01, 2015, 09:18:59 pm ---I'm trying to imagine a non-TSA reader going into this story. I mean there's a shitload of references all over the place, from the main series itself, to Atrocity Tales, so on and so forth, that must certainly be going way over people's heads. Hell, it felt like some of it went over my head -- I'll definitely do a re-read of the first half when the second comes out, and probably before that even. Ultimately, I can say I'm intrigued and anticipating the second half, but it didn't blow me away or anything.
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Fully agree. There was a lot going on at the start, setting, flashbacks, layered consciousness, etc. etc. For the uninneciating, it would almost be indecipherable.
I'm excited for the second half, and there is a lot in there already that is worth talking about or looking into.
twooars:
Looking at the timeline for 3801 may provide some context for this: http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline , but yeah, I agree with FB, it wasn't a good as the False Sun...
edit: hey, I can post now!
mrganondorf:
a couple of things that stuck out to me from the story:
- the physical description of Shinurta seemed decayed in a way similar to Shauriatus description in the TUC ch excerpt. chanv-consult link?
- the combination of hints about the Scarlett Spires summoning demons and the presence of a character that allegedly becomes possessed by Gilgaol-- is the SS trying to trap Gilgaol?
- the Sranc pits are where men fight men and sranc, no? if so, perhaps they are breeding extra-violent sranc for the games. this could lead to other stories where there is a sranc prison break and Carythusal is terrorized
- all the pit, pit, pit stuff and the description of the SS towers as "The famed crimson gleamed black in the light of the Nail, HORNS soaring into the VOID" made me think that Bakker will be doing more parallels between the SS and the Consult. could Iyokus be capable of deceiving and betraying the Great Ordeal?
- the second hear thing is cool--who was the character of yore who had 2 hearts? plus this may have something to do with Kellhus ripping out one heart while still being animated by one? lol, if Seswatha had 2 hearts, he could leave one with the Mandate and then (using super chill longevity spells) hang out in the depths of Ishual and organize the Dunyain experiment from the shadows! :P
- goddamn i love the construction of the sranc pits with viewers hanging over to see down!
- so when the Hewer is knocked out--is that maybe the same poison used on Nau-Cayuti? does this imply that NC's wife may have been a witch? really would like to see her in TUC
- a few favorite bits:
"But the old slaver was already shaking his head. ‘Philosophers,’ he spat. ‘It’s their curse to confuse their skullpan for the sky–bah!"
"hey despise my kind because we fit no hand save our own. Treachery is the very essence of Intellect–they know this the way cattle know wolves. The rapacious Intellect is the treacherous Intellect"
Wilshire:
--- Quote from: mrganondorf on January 04, 2015, 06:35:29 am ---a couple of things that stuck out to me from the story:
- the physical description of Shinurta seemed decayed in a way similar to Shauriatus description in the TUC ch excerpt. chanv-consult link?
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Not so sure about that. They are both to old for their bodies and kept alive by something, but I don't see much more there
--- Quote from: mrganondorf on January 04, 2015, 06:35:29 am ---- the combination of hints about the Scarlett Spires summoning demons and the presence of a character that allegedly becomes possessed by Gilgaol-- is the SS trying to trap Gilgaol?
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I couldn't decide if that was just a turn of phrase, or if he was actually being possessed.
The summoning of demons is a fairly recent construct isn't it? Maybe this was around the time where they first started delving into the forbidden art.
--- Quote from: mrganondorf on January 04, 2015, 06:35:29 am ---- the Sranc pits are where men fight men and sranc, no? if so, perhaps they are breeding extra-violent sranc for the games. this could lead to other stories where there is a sranc prison break and Carythusal is terrorized
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No need for extra violent sranc :P. Also, it doesn't seem like they breed them, they capture them and ship them in. Hundreds a week.
Still though, better keep those cages in good condition.
--- Quote from: mrganondorf on January 04, 2015, 06:35:29 am ---- all the pit, pit, pit stuff and the description of the SS towers as "The famed crimson gleamed black in the light of the Nail, HORNS soaring into the VOID" made me think that Bakker will be doing more parallels between the SS and the Consult. could Iyokus be capable of deceiving and betraying the Great Ordeal?
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They are obviously working on a Topos. Given enough time...
Here there certainly seems to be imagery connect to the Consult. I wonder if Shae was at any point in contact with other schoolmen?
--- Quote from: mrganondorf on January 04, 2015, 06:35:29 am ---- the second hear thing is cool--who was the character of yore who had 2 hearts? plus this may have something to do with Kellhus ripping out one heart while still being animated by one? lol, if Seswatha had 2 hearts, he could leave one with the Mandate and then (using super chill longevity spells) hang out in the depths of Ishual and organize the Dunyain experiment from the shadows! :P
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Wasn't it the alleged nonman-man hybrid, that Anasurimbor woman, who had two hearts?
Maybe the original 2 heart guy referred to in the story, (Wiggle? whatever..) was then an Anasurimbor, with the double-heart trait resurfaced, making all his children part of the line. Distant Kellhus cousins :).
--- Quote from: mrganondorf on January 04, 2015, 06:35:29 am ---- goddamn i love the construction of the sranc pits with viewers hanging over to see down!
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Yeah, like a coliseum but with a semi spherical roof.
--- Quote from: mrganondorf on January 04, 2015, 06:35:29 am ---- so when the Hewer is knocked out--is that maybe the same poison used on Nau-Cayuti? does this imply that NC's wife may have been a witch? really would like to see her in TUC
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Witches!
--- Quote from: mrganondorf on January 04, 2015, 06:35:29 am ---
"hey despise my kind because we fit no hand save our own. Treachery is the very essence of Intellect–they know this the way cattle know wolves. The rapacious Intellect is the treacherous Intellect"
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Since we also know that War is Intellect, therefore, Treachery is War.... Do they have a god of intellect? Ajokli is treachery, Gilgaol is war...
mrganondorf:
if they do manage to catch Gilgaol temporarily, maybe that is a spark for starting the Scholastic Wars?
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