[TGO SPOILERS] Aorsi/Dagliash

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« Reply #60 on: June 02, 2016, 05:02:26 pm »
A big mystery, indeed. Unless Kellhus is planning on building another Barricade, it's unclear what the Ordeal could do against the Ark. Almost makes me wonder if the whole thing is a feint to cover for something else...

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« Reply #61 on: June 02, 2016, 05:15:44 pm »
A big mystery, indeed. Unless Kellhus is planning on building another Barricade, it's unclear what the Ordeal could do against the Ark. Almost makes me wonder if the whole thing is a feint to cover for something else...

This.  I was literally just thinking about the Holy War, and how it was just a vehicle to get him to Shimeh and his father.  The GO is just another vehicle, but what's the real destination this time?
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« Reply #62 on: June 02, 2016, 05:28:46 pm »
This.  I was literally just thinking about the Holy War, and how it was just a vehicle to get him to Shimeh and his father.  The GO is just another vehicle, but what's the real destination this time?

Oh, it's defintely the Ark, but I think Kellhus just needs to be there.  He'll probably move to get in the same way that Seswatha did, blast his way in from under this time though rather than sneaking.  He might need the sorcerers to help excavate, or hold enough Bashrags at bay while he does.  That'd be my guess.  None are going to walk away though, but I don't even think Kellhus does, not in the literal sense at least.
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« Reply #63 on: June 02, 2016, 05:42:12 pm »
A big mystery, indeed. Unless Kellhus is planning on building another Barricade, it's unclear what the Ordeal could do against the Ark. Almost makes me wonder if the whole thing is a feint to cover for something else...

This.  I was literally just thinking about the Holy War, and how it was just a vehicle to get him to Shimeh and his father.  The GO is just another vehicle, but what's the real destination this time?
I still thing Golgotterath is the end goal. I suspect he has some plan to get into the Arc, I just don't know what that is.
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« Reply #64 on: June 03, 2016, 03:28:50 am »
Lol - I'm still very much of the opinion that Kellhus, a Dunyain, co-opting the Tekne is the goal, in and of itself. I've very few guesses beyond that and I prefer not to grasp without evidence.

Should the Metameatshield be necessary implicitly to Kellhus's plans... probably something to do with the relationship between sorcerers, specifically, and the Outside.
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« Reply #65 on: June 03, 2016, 02:12:58 pm »
Lol - I'm still very much of the opinion that Kellhus, a Dunyain, co-opting the Tekne is the goal, in and of itself. I've very few guesses beyond that and I prefer not to grasp without evidence.

Should the Metameatshield be necessary implicitly to Kellhus's plans... probably something to do with the relationship between sorcerers, specifically, and the Outside.
I'm not separating Golgotterath and the Tekne. I firmly believe he wants the Tekne...the golden coffer, and Kell's reaction to it, was enough to confirm that for me.
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« Reply #66 on: June 03, 2016, 04:04:35 pm »
Lol - I'm still very much of the opinion that Kellhus, a Dunyain, co-opting the Tekne is the goal, in and of itself. I've very few guesses beyond that and I prefer not to grasp without evidence.

Should the Metameatshield be necessary implicitly to Kellhus's plans... probably something to do with the relationship between sorcerers, specifically, and the Outside.
I'm not separating Golgotterath and the Tekne. I firmly believe he wants the Tekne...the golden coffer, and Kell's reaction to it, was enough to confirm that for me.
I can't remember the details.  But there was a point in that scene where it appeared Kellhus could read what was on the coffer.  That plus his understanding the basic concepts of radiation sickness make me believe that the Tekne is indeed a big part of his endgame.

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« Reply #67 on: June 03, 2016, 05:37:01 pm »
Lol - I'm still very much of the opinion that Kellhus, a Dunyain, co-opting the Tekne is the goal, in and of itself. I've very few guesses beyond that and I prefer not to grasp without evidence.

Should the Metameatshield be necessary implicitly to Kellhus's plans... probably something to do with the relationship between sorcerers, specifically, and the Outside.
I'm not separating Golgotterath and the Tekne. I firmly believe he wants the Tekne...the golden coffer, and Kell's reaction to it, was enough to confirm that for me.
I can't remember the details.  But there was a point in that scene where it appeared Kellhus could read what was on the coffer.  That plus his understanding the basic concepts of radiation sickness make me believe that the Tekne is indeed a big part of his endgame.
Hmm. I assumed he had deduced what the countdown meant, but you make an interesting point. How did he know about the radiation sickness. Could it be that Inchoroi has a version of OSHA that makes them put safety warning on the outside of nukes?
As opposed to a bomb (and maybe someone mentioned this) it could be a fuel cell that they modified to explode.
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« Reply #68 on: June 04, 2016, 02:24:13 pm »
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i wonder what it will mean if the decapitants are 'under Yatwer's jurisdiction' or something.  that is, that they might be sleeper agents, or will be able to resist Kellhus authority over them at some point.

Well we know through previous use of the Daimos, that the Ciphrang are bent to the will of the sorcerer who summons them. I.E., they're not going to turn on Kellhus.
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« Reply #69 on: June 06, 2016, 12:43:13 am »
I read through the section where Saubon dies so quickly I didn't even catch the call back to TWP and Mengedda. Wow, how fucking utterly horrifying is that?
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« Reply #70 on: June 06, 2016, 12:59:54 pm »
I read through the section where Saubon dies so quickly I didn't even catch the call back to TWP and Mengedda. Wow, how fucking utterly horrifying is that?

It's great. Chills and shivers.

Someone did bring up, I think in The Parts Appalling, that Saubon said he 'd take all damnation for one day as king ;).
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« Reply #71 on: June 06, 2016, 02:13:19 pm »
I read through the section where Saubon dies so quickly I didn't even catch the call back to TWP and Mengedda. Wow, how fucking utterly horrifying is that?

It's great. Chills and shivers.

Someone did bring up, I think in The Parts Appalling, that Saubon said he 'd take all damnation for one day as king ;).

Bakker is nothing if not extremely patient.  I'm sure he felt incredibly satisfied to close the loop on Saubon.

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« Reply #72 on: June 06, 2016, 11:55:11 pm »
Patient. He's fucking diabolical when you think about what he's been planning since TDTCB and just been like "wait and see, wait and see..."
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« Reply #73 on: June 08, 2016, 04:54:36 pm »
I read through the section where Saubon dies so quickly I didn't even catch the call back to TWP and Mengedda. Wow, how fucking utterly horrifying is that?

It's great. Chills and shivers.

Someone did bring up, I think in The Parts Appalling, that Saubon said he 'd take all damnation for one day as king ;).
Much as Hugo Chavez actually became El Presidente for life ;D
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« Reply #74 on: June 09, 2016, 02:08:47 am »
Lol - traded it for the hundred Hells?
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