Should mention:
You follow the link through and "preview." And I also found that the preview didn't work on my Firefox browser but did on my Safari browser (I'm on a Mac).
I didn't really check, just took Hello World at their word. Ask Redeagl?
On the first two chapters: the second one is cut pretty short (like 10 pages) and even in the middle of a subchapter, so those of you who have read the thing be careful of spoiling what isn't in there yet. (The WHCB and chapter 1 appear to be intact however).
The ceilings gave, and the boy learns that what is ruined can become more ruined still.
I found the writing excellent but was still a bit underwhelmed compared the openings of the other books.So......Chapter One opens with a river running backwards, Chapter Two gives us the first Moënghus POV, and you're slightly underwhelmed by the opening, compared to the other books?
So, there it is in Chapter 1, "To save Mankind...". Also, debated was he went back to save Esme, which is true. Good clarification.... ;)
So, there it is in Chapter 1, "To save Mankind...". Also, debated was he went back to save Esme, which is true. Good clarification.
So, there it is in Chapter 1, "To save Mankind...". Also, debated was he went back to save Esme, which is true. Good clarification.
Whuch part is that quote from?
Only part i can see is "you... and all mankind"
To add to that Esme accused him of coming back just to save the Empire. Kellhus points out that they're currently traveling away from the Empire but he still saved her. The implication being that she and nothing else is the reason he went back. He then states that she is his only Darkness which is about the sweetest thing a Dunyain can say about another.So, there it is in Chapter 1, "To save Mankind...". Also, debated was he went back to save Esme, which is true. Good clarification.
Whuch part is that quote from?
Only part i can see is "you... and all mankind"
Esme calls him a monster and he says he is the monster needed to save her and all of mankind.
To add to that Esme accused him of coming back just to save the Empire. Kellhus points out that they're currently traveling away from the Empire but he still saved her. The implication being that she and nothing else is the reason he went back. He then states that she is his only Darkness which is about the sweetest thing a Dunyain can say about another.So, there it is in Chapter 1, "To save Mankind...". Also, debated was he went back to save Esme, which is true. Good clarification.
Whuch part is that quote from?
Only part i can see is "you... and all mankind"
Esme calls him a monster and he says he is the monster needed to save her and all of mankind.
Yeah but that quote doesn't appear is what i am saying. Not in that format.
He says he keeps them ignorant to save them from sin. The sin they commit in his name, we already know not everyone can be saved and it's a good thing. Saubon wasn't saved from anything.
So you deceive me, keep me ignorant, to save me from sin?”Good topic for Saturday.
“You ... and all mankind.”
is what i can find.
So you deceive me, keep me ignorant, to save me from sin?”
“You ... and all mankind.”
is what i can find.
What was the whale mother question?
I feel like there is a hand in movement behind the Judging Eye, same one that sent Mimara to Akka, same one that is pointing to some things being more holy than others (why are snakes holy?). There is an agenda here that could be the God of Gods, or it could be the No-God. Who was it that made Akka a prophet of the past?
At some point in his dreams the No God speaks to him, so I think it may be that it IS the No-God that is behind Akka's quest, pushing them against Kellhus (unless it IS Kellhus).
The Judging eye, the No God, the Zero God, at least 2 of these are probably the same.
I've only read them through once but the only thing that stood out in chapter one was Esmi setting the WLW on Kellhus? I don't recall this.
I guess Serwa wrecked the place but there's little mention of any of the events of the final showdown so to speak.
What about Meppa? Did he drown...?
Other thought: Bakker opens the book by getting rid of some of his arena's, chapter 1 ends the Momemn line through Gods' cataclysms; chapter 2 says goodbye to our Nonmen friends at Ishterebinth. This helps the Consult numerical goal along as well, huh...
Well that was aggravating. Trying to read it on mobile is torture. You only read every half page, giving just enough so you kinda follow but so little that it's more frustrating than anything else.
I must say, the lamentations of the Abomination-Child are most amusing. The Prince of Hate has a great sense of humor.
Yeah but that quote doesn't appear is what i am saying. Not in that format.
“Yes, Esmi. I returned for you.”
× Did anyone notice in the What has come before part it said Moe fled Ishual.
×These books fucking rock.
Indeed. Not-so-smart Kelmomas. You courted the trickster and are upset that you've been deceived, despite all your learning to that exact effect. Irony ;)!
Quote from: MadnessIndeed. Not-so-smart Kelmomas. You courted the trickster and are upset that you've been deceived, despite all your learning to that exact effect. Irony ;)!
Right, which many of us believed. But, what's Ajokli's endgame here? It seems as if his goals coincide with Kellhus, but that's not a definite. I think its important that Ajokli is mentioned as a companion to the Gods in the Glossary. I think that could be a clue.
Whale Mothers breed Dunyain. Esmenet bred Dunyain. The Ark is described as a once living thing, has qualities both aquatic and whale-esque (Nau-Cayuti trying to break a gigantic rib bone in the Seswatha dream). The Ark/Esmi is the Darkness in which Kellhus can "hide".
The Ark is a Tekne super-whale mother?
I wonder if the Ark itself is in fact still a Sentient force, possibly manifest as Shauriatas? Would fit into the idea of a Demirugic figure, an entity which (through ignorance and blindness) has mistakenly come to believe it created the World...
Right, which many of us believed. But, what's Ajokli's endgame here? It seems as if his goals coincide with Kellhus, but that's not a definite. I think its important that Ajokli is mentioned as a companion to the Gods in the Glossary. I think that could be a clue.
To the bolded, I'm beginning to think Ajokli has no end-game - or rather, his end-game is nothing more than to continually undermine the actions of the Gods. This fits in with the trickster quality, and even perhaps the trickster-hero archetype (the most popular Western example of this is probably Loki, and I doubt the similarity in names are a coincidence).
9 dimensional chess.
- What is everyone's interpretation of "to the Idol more fearsome than its God." in the opening to the first chapter?
The Inverse Fire I guess.
The Ark itself, perhaps?
Didn't know where to put this, but during my reread of TGO last night, I saw mention of Ioyukus. When they were preparing for battle at Dagliash. I just thought I'd mention it because so many have been asking about the man. Wrong thread I know, didn't really think any place would be better. :)
“The Blind Necromancer Heramari Iyokus followed in the van with the Scarlet Spires.”
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I remember that when TGO was released, someone found it at Barnes and Noble like 2 or 3 weeks early which made me check my local store and get it way earlier than I anticipated. I don't suppose anyone has had any luck finding an early copy of The Unholy Consult anywhere?
I asked at my B&N when it would be on the shelf. They said July 11, but I'm gonna check on the shelf a week early just in case...
I remember that when TGO was released, someone found it at Barnes and Noble like 2 or 3 weeks early which made me check my local store and get it way earlier than I anticipated. I don't suppose anyone has had any luck finding an early copy of The Unholy Consult anywhere?;) got about 8 copies or so a few weeks early from B&N.
There is talk in earlier books about how "when the seed is strong" the womb acts as a mere vessel. I doubt it applies to everyone, though.
Where is it said that Esmenet's father forced himself on her?
Nah I'm getting mine on 6th July. I've dealt with that now.
my madness would know no bridle if i started hunting bookshops for it. Plus the 5 days of having to hold my tongue on here is long enough.
She also provides a murder weapon: a pouch that conceals sorcery-killing Chorae from sorcerous eyes.
Disaster strikes the westernmost contingent of the Host at Irsûlor, and the Great Ordeal loses a full quarter of their contingent, as well as the Vokalati, a Major School.
The pouch is the one with the dragon claw mark on it, the one sorweel gets when his slave takes him to meet yatwer.
I think it should be eastern, as they were southron but then the GO re-orientated itself and they were on the eastern flank.
The pouch is the one with the dragon claw mark on it, the one sorweel gets when his slave takes him to meet yatwer.
I think it should be eastern, as they were southron but then the GO re-orientated itself and they were on the eastern flank.
I understand that the Chorae was contained in a pouch, I did not understand that it had special properties. Was that anywhere in the text?
The pouch is the one with the dragon claw mark on it, the one sorweel gets when his slave takes him to meet yatwer.
I think it should be eastern, as they were southron but then the GO re-orientated itself and they were on the eastern flank.
I understand that the Chorae was contained in a pouch, I did not understand that it had special properties. Was that anywhere in the text?
Yeah he went to see Serwe and and she couldn't detect it in the pouch, Sorweel ruminates on it, probably in WLW somewhere.
Yeah WLW, Sorweel is in Serwe's tent alone, briefly, and he muses that he has the pouch on him and Serwe doesn't seem to be aware of him carrying a chorae or that she is in immediate danger as he was planning on killing her at the time.The pouch is the one with the dragon claw mark on it, the one sorweel gets when his slave takes him to meet yatwer.
I think it should be eastern, as they were southron but then the GO re-orientated itself and they were on the eastern flank.
I understand that the Chorae was contained in a pouch, I did not understand that it had special properties. Was that anywhere in the text?
Yeah he went to see Serwe and and she couldn't detect it in the pouch, Sorweel ruminates on it, probably in WLW somewhere.
Just wanted to share my backup plan for getting this book tonight. I was going to download the VPN service, TunnelBear, which has a free 7 day trial. I would use it to mask my IP address to be a UK address and then download the ebook from this website.Such great lengths! Thanks for offering to share your experience.
I would have tried it as soon as the clock struck midnight in the UK tonight and immediately shared my results with the people here if I succeeded but USPS' site just confirmed my UK book order is already out for delivery so I might not have to do this.
in fact rereading the books there is almost never an example of a character looking like their mother, they always resemble their father.
For those who have TUC, can you confirm if the excerpt available on the Amazon website (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Unholy-Consult-Aspect-Emperor-Aspect-Emperor/dp/0356508714/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499781154&sr=8-1&keywords=the+unholy+consult) contains the complete 2nd chapter? Because it seems to me that, while it is a bit longer than the kobo version, it doesn't quite end as it should if it was the whole chapter.
Can't get it to show up for me. Let me know what words it ends on and I'll check.
And his past had yet to be rewritten, the history of hating and, yes, even plotting against the Aspect-Emperor, this man who dared the Gods in the name of Men.
Can't get it to show up for me. Let me know what words it ends on and I'll check.
It ends with this sentence:QuoteAnd his past had yet to be rewritten, the history of hating and, yes, even plotting against the Aspect-Emperor, this man who dared the Gods in the name of Men.
Then it is not all of Chapter 2, there is a fair bit to go after that.