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"For centuries it resided in Cenei, a treasured possession of the Aspect-Emperors, only to be lost once again when the Scylvendi sacked Cenei in 3351. Its whereabouts are presently unknown" (TTT, Heron Spear, p564).

We had some good speculation about Mimara and Achamian finding the Heron Spear in Ishual, in lieu of living Dunyain. However, Kellhus already having the Heron Spear and transporting it, in secret, with the Ordeal is another enticing possibility?

It would make sense that he'd spend some effort finding the only sure weapon to defeat the No-God, right?

Maybe Kellhus already found it in Ishual   :shock: , and the Dunyain didnt want him to take it, so he slaughtered them all (being the loving father figure we know and love).

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IF Seswatha founded the Dunyain he could have fashioned a replica of the Heron Spear and left that in the possession of the Cenei, and placed the real one in the 1000 1000 halls.

this is presuming the damn thing actually does what the sagas say it did.

Achamian's final dream of TTT suggests that the Heron Spear was depleted and did not fire and destroy the No God as previously believed.  The False Sun suggests that if the Heron Spear had any juice left in it, Mekeritrig depleted it when he fired it into the glamour.

Perhaps if NC is Seswatha's Son and NC is the NG, then NC caused the NG to self destruct rather than destroy his father.  That in confronting Seswatha, he overcame his identity crisis, stopped what do you seeing and what am Iing and realized who he was and what he saw. and that in response to that he went boom.  Love conquers all, Oedipus etc.

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That is some really impressive crackpot.

ETA:  If NC was the NG, that makes me think that someone else has to be the NG this time, and that the other aspects of how it works (the mechanisms) are the same...it just needs one person.  And it couldn't be assumed that the new NG would self-destruct like NC as NG did.

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Unless it needs someone special. Like another Anasurimbor, or some other special world player.

Maybe the WLW becomes the NG to destroy Kellhus?

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WHAT-DO-Y-----MEASURE-IS-UNCEASING

Maybe Moenghus calling him by his pet name, "Nayu" at the end of TTT was a direct hint?

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WHAT-DO-Y-----MEASURE-IS-UNCEASING

Maybe Moenghus calling him by his pet name, "Nayu" at the end of TTT was a direct hint?

Dear lockesnow, please quit fucking with my emotions. Thanks.

LoL, seriously though, the thought of CUS becoming the NG makes me tingly in all the right places. A whirlwind could sort of be seen as fucking the ground, right?

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Don't they call the No-God the worldbreaker at some point?  So Nayu could be breaker of horses and men and the world?

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lol horse-and-men-and-worlds.

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I'll bite, JG.

We know 1 and 3... and I hazard from the comments on TPB that we are done with Ishual in Ch. 1. Also, I'm going to be outrageous with this:

Ch. 1 - Ishual (Achamian, Mimara, Sarl)
Ch. 2 - Momemn (Fanayal, Malowebi, Meppa, Psatma)
Ch. 3 - Ishterebinth (Serwa, Moenghus, Sorweel, Consult)
Ch. 4 - Aorsi (Zsoronga, Proyas)
Ch. 5 - Momemn (Kelmomas, Esmenet, White-Luck Warrior)
Ch. 6 - Injor-Niyas (Achamian, Mimara, Sarl, Consult)
Ch. 7 - Dagliash (Zsoronga, Proya)
Ch. 8 - Momemn (Fanayal, Malowebi, Meppa, Pstama, Kelmomas, Esmenet, White-Luck Warrior)
Ch. 9 - Isterebinth (Achamian, Mimara, Sorweel, Intact)
Ch. 10 - Isterebinth (Serwa, Moenghus, Consult)
Ch. 11 - Dagliash (Zsronga, Proyas, Kellhus)
Ch. 12 - Momemn (Meppa, Kelmomas, Esmenet)
Ch. 13 - Isterebinth (Consult, Serwa, Moenghus, Achamian, Sorweel, Mimara, Intact)
Ch. 14 - Momemn (Meppa, White-Luck Warrior)
Ch. 15 - Dagliash (Zsronga, Proyas)
Ch. 16 - Dagliash (Zsronga, Proyas, Achamian, Mimara, Sorweel, Intact)
Epilogue - The Ark (Kellhus, Aurang, Shaeonanra)

Interesting comparisons in reflection. Consult at Ishterebinth. Though you expect more out of the Sranc/Scylvendi and the Dunyain than I do.

We know what 3 is?

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Well, that it is Ishterebinth, anyhow: Post Laurier University reading. Not that the Consult greets them there.

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Thanks!

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No problem. I didn't know where else to toss this thought. Does anyone think Bakker would throw in a Prologue or Interlude right at the beginning of TUC?

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There were two prologues in JE if you count the initial letter to Kell from some officer. But that was between trilogies and there was a big time gap (in the book). There was nothing in WLW, and consider that the WHCB sections are a bit like a prologue... kinda.

If there was to be one included I'd say it would have to do something with the Nonmen or the Inchoroi, something in the distant past that would foreshadow some future events in TUC or at least give us a bit more background on our mysterious friends.

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There were technically two prologues in TDTCB, the 2000 years ago bit, and the Kellhus bit.  They're even separated by the traditional chapter header quotes, the only time that's happened within a chapter in the series.

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Agreed... +1. But in this instance, we'd have to compare to TTT and there was only a WHCB. Fuck... See, boys, I think if Bakker did throw something in, it would be pertinent only to the Dunyain.