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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Saccarees & the Dunyain
« on: November 15, 2013, 02:39:01 am »
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General Earwa / Re: Kellhus' Limits
« on: November 15, 2013, 02:34:54 am »Was the dramatic shift in that quoted text? Because I don't see it.Quote“The Second Apocalypse,” Moënghus said simply.
“Only you knew their secret. Only you could detect their spies.”
“They have to be stopped,” Moënghus replied. “Destroyed.”
Interesting that Moenghus did a massive shift from, "don't judge the Consult with your world-born tainted biases," to agreeing with the perspective he just condemned. Utterly classic dunyain manipulation process.
From what I read, Moe went from basically agreeing with what Kellhus said with the slight confusion of "why use those adjectives", to more agreeing an no cometary about adjectives. Doesn't seem that dramatic
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General Earwa / Re: Dunyanin-dunedain
« on: November 15, 2013, 01:47:03 am »Concerning the the mix of man and nonman blood in the Anasurimbor line, having Bakker's Tolkien theme in mind, do you think that it is a coincidence that the terms dunyanin and dunedain look so alike? (the Dunedain are a man/elvish mix hiding for an extended period in time on the outskirts of Middle Earth, the Dunyanin breed a man/nonman mix while hiding for an extended period of time in a cave system).Coincidences arn't nearly as fun as purpose. I like it.
EDIT:
I may have had this thought a few years ago but never brought it up. Or maybe it fits strikingly well and I just think I should have noticed it. Either way, awesome.
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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Heramari Iyokus
« on: November 15, 2013, 01:45:17 am »There is definitely something about being blind in Earwa.+1 for blindness. Maybe Kellhus has more than 1 new school? A school of the blind.... The last cisharium indeed....
Iyokus would know then that Yatwer protects Sorweel.
Why would he know that?
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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Khellus and the Emissary.
« on: November 15, 2013, 01:39:02 am »
I can't be expected to remember everything I know.
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Literature / Re: The Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe
« on: November 15, 2013, 01:33:28 am »
Just started reading book 1. Seems pretty interesting so far. Didn't read all the comments as I didn't want the spoil it.
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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello!
« on: November 15, 2013, 01:30:23 am »11) Have used the dunyain mantra ("The logos is without beginning or end") to get through a bad mushroom trip.
I...I must try this! XD Did you manage to grasp the Absolute? XD
If you are ever lucid enough in a nightmare, it works just as well. None drug induced
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General Earwa / Re: Sorcery
« on: November 15, 2013, 01:27:02 am »This is the passage that absolutely makes me think that sorcerery and damnantion are not the same.Quote from: TJE, p155The Mark already blasts him, renders him ugly in the manner of things rent and abraded, as though his inner edges have been pinched and twisted, pinched and twisted, his very substance worried from the fabric of mundane things. But suddenly she sees more, the hue of judgement, as though blessing and condemnation have become a wash visible only in certain kinds of light. It hangs about him, bleeds from him, something palpable ... evil.
No. Not Evil. Damnation.
Mimara looking on Achamian with the Judging Eye.
She clearly sees them differently, or at least I think so. The fact that schoolmen can see the mark seems counter intuitive. Mimara is some kind of "holy" agent of some god and she sees true morality in people. Akka has killed/will kill many many people in cold blood. He is consumed by revenge and rage and care nothing for the people that get in his way. He is rightly damned without the use of sorcery, even though it was the sorcery that he used to kill people.
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General Earwa / Re: Kellhus' Limits
« on: November 15, 2013, 01:03:54 am »Som - We've definitely explored the Cish on the other board.It would be more useful to just link to the board you're referring too.
Just speaking for myself, but it can be pretty damn hard to find specific things in those Westeros threads. They're big, often move relatively fast, and there's a new one probably every month or so (and they've been going for years). On top of that, the Cish discussions are spread fairly wide (and randomly) across the threads. I'm not sure if there's a search function for threads themselves though, that might help.
Unimportant tangent about the westeros forum:
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General Earwa / Re: Kellhus' Limits
« on: November 13, 2013, 10:18:00 pm »Som - We've definitely explored the Cish on the other board.It would be more useful to just link to the board you're referring too.
Though there is no reason why topics need to be discussed only where they originated. If something gets too off topic it can be moved. Wouldn't want to discourage anyone from posting for fear of it not being in the "right" spot.
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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Khellus and the Emissary.
« on: November 13, 2013, 06:01:04 pm »
I don't remember the conversation about her hiding her sorcerery, so I could be way off base, but maybe she just doesn't want to materialize out of thin air at the front gates of Ishterebinth. That would create a "shoot first ask questions later" scenario that would not be favorable for Kellhus.
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General Earwa / Re: Kellhus' Limits
« on: November 13, 2013, 05:49:24 pm »
Talking about the son inevitably leads us to the father. The digression continues:
I refuse to accept that there was way more to Moenghus than was let on. Something extra maybe, but I'll never believe he was some kind of meta-psukri unless its revealed in the text.
That said, I like the idea that he was still able to teach. Just because he couldn't bare the water does not mean he couldn't figure out, theoretically, how to do it better. I can accept that he taught the other Cish, making them far more powerful than any of the other anagogic schools.
It does make sense that Kellhus' limitation are closely tied to Moenghus', which is probably why these topics tend towards the same thing every time they are brought up. How much of Kell's accomplishments were set up by Daddy? None of them, all of them, or somewhere in between.
I believe that Moenghus never was able to see past the Circumfixtion. Based on that assumption, most (if not all) of TAE trillogy is Kellhus' work. However, sense there is no consensus on the matter, its difficult to continue.
I refuse to accept that there was way more to Moenghus than was let on. Something extra maybe, but I'll never believe he was some kind of meta-psukri unless its revealed in the text.
That said, I like the idea that he was still able to teach. Just because he couldn't bare the water does not mean he couldn't figure out, theoretically, how to do it better. I can accept that he taught the other Cish, making them far more powerful than any of the other anagogic schools.
It does make sense that Kellhus' limitation are closely tied to Moenghus', which is probably why these topics tend towards the same thing every time they are brought up. How much of Kell's accomplishments were set up by Daddy? None of them, all of them, or somewhere in between.
I believe that Moenghus never was able to see past the Circumfixtion. Based on that assumption, most (if not all) of TAE trillogy is Kellhus' work. However, sense there is no consensus on the matter, its difficult to continue.
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Literature / Re: Hyperion by Dan Simmons
« on: November 13, 2013, 05:32:20 pm »
I just finished book 4. I liked it better than 3 at least. Hyperion and Fall of Hyperion were far and away the best 2. I loved the Ousters, and would probably read a book just about them. I was actually hoping that Endymion/Rise of Endymion where going to be about them. I'm not sure why Simmons went the way he did with the series, as I thought that there was plenty in the first two books to write a whole series without adding in the whole thing with the church.
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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Saccarees & the Dunyain
« on: November 13, 2013, 12:33:06 am »
Optimism? I can't condone this.
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General Earwa / Re: Kellhus' Limits
« on: November 13, 2013, 12:26:32 am »Quote
Esmenet suggests that Kellhus can only move to places he can see from a distance or that he knows well to whatever degree. Kellhus had given his last sermon above Shimeh, with the city strategically behind him (I'm sure Dunyain have a kind of eidetic memory).Quote from Madness, my bold for emphasis. Kind of puts a whole in the theory a bit and explains why he could jump to Shimeh from underground.
As for distance, I think there might something there. The horizon limitation seems kind of thrown in there. When you send dreams, distance has no meaning. Place matters, but the distance itself doesn't seem to limit the communication. If the transportation cant is basically an upgraded cant of calling, I don't see why distance would then be a limiting factor.
Maybe for mere mortals, maybe, but certainly not for Kellhus.
