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General Misc. / Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham
« on: February 05, 2014, 12:19:35 am »
I hope someone else is watching this debate right now with me.

http://www.billnye.com/

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General Earwa / Coordinating TUC Purchase, Or the Great Amazon Ordeal
« on: January 30, 2014, 03:47:42 pm »
So litgreg (why does this make me think of old greeg) over on TPB made a genius comment.

We can cause TUC's rating to spike on Amazon/(other purchasing outlets but doing so diffuses the power of the task) by all placing our orders more or less at the same moment.

I would really like to coordinate this because it is so relatively easy to do. Coordinate an online purchase across timezones.

Cheers. Let's affect change.

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Literature / The Expanse by James S.A. Corey
« on: January 25, 2014, 03:07:44 pm »
Lovers? Haters?

I thought this qualified as good, new sci-fi that I remembered in reading the Asimov thread.

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The Forum of Interesting Things / The Silmarillion Project
« on: January 07, 2014, 09:03:41 pm »
The Silmarillion Project

Every chapter of J.R.R. Tolkien's Silmarillion, as illustrated by Dresden Codak author Aaron Diaz.

I like art. I like The Silmarillion.

Yay :)!

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Disciple of the Dog / Disciple Mixtape: Track Three
« on: December 28, 2013, 10:04:33 pm »
ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND CIGARETTES

Disciple is great for the laughs but as I continue reading for this little side project, I remember again my assertions that Disciple’s memory serves as narrative cipher for aspects of the Second Apocalypse: Kellhus and the Nonmen, for instance. Disciple’s story also serves as a vehicle for Bakker's witty cynicism and human notation.

If you forgot this was a Bakker novel, let Disciple remind you. Chapter 3 starts off with a bang (pun intended):

Quote from: ”DOTD, p20, 2010 Canadian paperback”
After the Bonjours left, I had sex with Kimberly in the copy room -  or as I had devilishly dubbed it, the copy-feely room.

Kimberly apparently doubles as a stripper and Disciple reminisces on other secretaries he’s hired from the Zinger Club (get it… it’s a zinger ;)).

Disciple thinks she is falling in love with him as she’s passed the usual expiry date for his secretaries and she has ceased taking him seriously. A couple jokes later and our boy is off to his favorite coffee shop to review. It's called "Jitters" :).

Quote from: ”p21”
I had to start working on Dead Jennifer.

Some commentary on the “ebbs and flows” of the coffee shop world. I’m almost positive that Bakker is using a haunt of his as a model. I can easily see these same conversations going down about the novels Bakker writes, instead of the case Disciple’s working.

The girls grill our plucky hero and we find out that Disciple gives names to his cases.

Quote from: ”p22”
I would give them names just to crack them up. Sir Conan Doyle meets porno.

But this one is serious and he dubs it: “How about The Girl Who Died at the End of the World?”

The girls are taken aback momentary and Bakker offers some noteworthy commentary:

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One of the perils of constantly playing the comedian, I’ve found, is that when the laugh track finally pops its spool – and it always does – people don’t know how to take you.

Truth, Diss.

Taking his coffee and retreating to the corner of the coffee shop, Disciple explains that he usually takes cases he can’t fuck up. Again, he’s telling this story from a unknown future vantage so maybe the consequences of his cases have changed. But up until this point:

Quote from: ”p23”
No consequences means no responsibilities. And that’s the way I like to ride.

Disciple offers some fitting analogies.

There is a noteworthy instance of “Fawk.” I should probably start counting.

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So, for the first time in my oh so sketchy career, I made what my first shrink, Martin, used to call an “implementation intention.”



I’m not a big believer in change, as you might imagine. Even so, I sat at my table, took a deep breath, and resolved not to fuck this one up. That meant doing things by the numbers.

The implementation intention is real terminology; if you vocalize or subvocalize, visualize, write down, etc, in detail something you wish to do in the future, you are more likely to both remember to do it and actually do it.

Disciple moves on to one of my favorite passage in the book:

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Ever been in a car accident? If so, then you know: life is quick – too quick.

The thing you realize is that every moment is a car accident; it only seems otherwise because the apparent regularity of things fools us into thinking we can intervene and take some measure of control. We have this abiding I-could-if-I-really-wanted-to feeling. And since we’re out-and-out addicted to this feeling, the true brevity of things tends to drop out of the stories we like to tell.



If you think about it, either we’re just grabbing away on automatic or we’re perpetually one step behind, fencing with the vague bewilderment of receiving change in a foreign country. The reason we think we have so much time, I’m convinced, has to do with the way we blur our after-the-fact reflections on given events into the events themselves. Considered from this standpoint, it really does seem that everything we do is fraught with decisions, as if every moment was a window onto thousands of future possibilities, instead of automatic and obscure.

This is excellent commentary in and of itself but specifically; it can read as insight into a character like Kellhus who can actually assess a given circumstance from a number of perspectives in the matter of heartbeats (harnessing what is an actually studied phenomenon whereby people seem to actionably experience a much longer period of time than passes for an observer).

However, Disciple (and Kellhus) are not limited like the rest of us.

Disciple continues to highlight an analogy from his grade-school, where a teacher, Mr. Marcus, repeated a punch-line a little too often for young Disciple’s liking.

Quote from: ”p25”
Marcus graced her with one of his eye-twinkling smiles. That was another strike against him: there’s nothing I hate quiet so much as twinkling eyes. Save it for the cartoons, motherfucker.

Lol.

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And then he had to say it: “Coming to class doesn’t make you classy.”



Me? I was disgusted. I felt everything go smooth, the way it always does when something gets me pissed. Suddenly, snotty little Tommy Bridgman seemed like my kind of people, and Mr. Marcus’s joke became an outrage to the Geek Nation.

“Yes, Mr. Manning?”

Without even realizing it, my hand had shot up.

“Um, Mr. Marcus, why do you think that was so funny?”

“I’m not sure what you mean, Mr. Manning.”

“Well, you’ve said that same thing now, like, twenty-three times so far this semester.”

I grit my teeth in joy sometimes, remembering the things I’ve said.

Mr. Marcus goes on to be incredulous and Disciple performs a neat trick, which is probably dramatically inventive on Bakker’s part:

Quote from: ”p26”
And that’s when I started, working my way backward from snotty little Tommy Bridgeman. I just hit replay in my psyche and it all came out, down to the cadences of the voices and the looks on the faces. Twenty-three of them in a row.

I think it would take a particularly talented child to do the vocals and expression; little doubt about the content of what was said though.

Disciple turns a chanting class against Mr. Marcus. And gets himself expelled:

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February 22, 1982. A bad day.

But still, pretty cool.

Disciple skips to giving us a quick breakdown on his “hyperthymestic syndrome.” There are something like 20 documented individuals with this in the real world; Disciple makes 21ish ;).

I’ve only read a few of their case studies but Bakker isn’t necessarily far out on Disciple’s perspective. His reactionary cynicism isn’t inevitable, however; but the amalgamation of memories is often disturbing.

Quote from: ”p27”
Hyperthymestic syndrome is simply irritable bowl syndrome of the head: where my dad can’t dump his dumps properly, me, I can’t dump my memories properly.

I retain all the crap.

And so Disciple’s offering of example and definition aside: shit kicks off. These are some of the meatiest part of the novel for me; where Disciple uses his narrative anomaly towards actually solving a crime. Like a real detective novel does.

I’m really still on this Disciple does absolutely nothing in this book. Just like Indiana Jones in Raider’s ;).

Returning to Jitter’s after the above daydreaming. Disciple usually has a paper but today he does his thing while staring into his coffee. Full-on dazed.

Quote from: ”p27”
I stared, and it all came back to me with the ease of a daydream.

”She’s not a runaway,” I had said, looking up to meet the Bonjours’ gaze.

What is she? Nineteen? Twenty in this photo?

Nineteen” Amanda replied in a small voice.

And that would make her?

Twenty-one. She’s twenty-one now.

I paused to take a sip. I notice the deliberate way her voice walked around “would be” language when she talked about her daughter.

And it continues on…

They talk about the Framer’s. Disciple thinks about how he doesn’t catch his own nuances because he knows himself so well – like normal people, us, think we do.

Jonathan Bonjour isn’t religious. His wife is.

The Framer’s believe that the world is much older than we believe it to be. Their leader is Xenophon Baars. They believe the sun isn’t halfway through its life cycle. It’s at its end.

And that is pretty much the take away from initial review so far.

Quote from: ”p29”
These people believed the world was five billion years older than it was – who could say what kinds of crazy acts would fit the mad puzzle of their beliefs? Who could say what they considered sinful?

Or how they punished sinners.

Disciple is the segue king but I’m not sure whether or not to do sections (because some of them are so short and it’s an extra piece of formatting).

Anyhow, he jumps to how an old girlfriend used to accuse him of thinking himself an evolution:

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If anything, I think I’m an evolutionary throwback, proof positive that all humans have the capacity to remember most everything, a capacity that evolution has since shut down. Too many hominid suicides, perhaps. Either that or too many hominid arguments with hominid girlfriends – who knows?

They break up.

Back to analyzing the Bonjours:

The relationship with dear Jennifer was troubled… and how Mr. Bonjour is hiding something.

Quote from: ”p30”
And just like that, I realized how anxious he was to police his wife’s responses.



I paused, trying to get a fix on her expression. It would be wrong to think of these rehearsals like video replays, because they aren’t. In fact, they’re impossible to describe. It’s not like there’s a little me reviewing it all in a little theatre in my head – how could there be when I’m both the screen and the audience? I mean, the memories are imagistic in a sense, a very fleeting sense – but they’re more like a kind of raw knowledge, things I just know.

The voices, though, they almost seem like sounds.

Apparently, Daddy Bonjour slapped Jennifer around before she ran away to join the Framer’s. Disciple is all conciliatory but slips in a pertinent question about Mr. Bonjour’s law firm employing private investigators.

Quote from: ”p32”
I’m not sure I understand.” I had registered his shock the first time, the squint as he tried to remember whether he had told me he was a lawyer. What I had missed was the hunted look in his eye – the apprehension. He had come to me thinking I was a nickel-and-dime hack, that much was clear. But this… this made me think he needed me to be a fool.

Does our boy have a suspicion?

Mrs. Bonjour admits to wanting to hire Disciple. Mr. Bonjour is jaded about PIs.

Then Mrs. Bonjour suggests that the people where the Framer’s are, are more like Disciple.

Quote from: ”p33”
Like me?” As was so often the case during these rehearsals, I felt my face take on my past expression: a rueful smile. Apparently this was what had sparked the several complaints Michelle had received over the years: a crazy man making faces at his coffee cup. “You mean socio-economically disadvantaged.

Disciple decides that their conversation with him had been rehearsed by the Bonjours.

Segue:

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If I knew you well, I quite literally would know you better than you know yourself. I could go on for days telling you stuff that you had forgotten about yourself. And I could make you cry with my observations.

Shades of Kellhus; I can hear Eleazaras telling Iyokus how Kellhus catching the buried moments of his soul.

Continued:

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And this is the thing: where you see acts, I see repititons, and where you see people – yourself included – I see repeaters. You really have no idea how much we repeat. Even when we manage to defy expectations, we’re like children: unpredictable in unsurprising ways. Those repetitions you’re aware of you call habits or routines, very human-sounding terms, connoting warmth and security, and in no way, shape, or form contradicting agency, the possibility of breaking free. But this is simply a trick of your limited perspective. Everything looks like insects if you pan back far enough – people included.

And you wonder why I’m cynical. I’ve literally “seen it all before.” The truth is we all have, every single one of us past the age of, say, twenty-five. The only difference is that I remember.

This is probably why the hook set so deep – why I fell in love with Dead Jennifer. This case was unlike anything I had seen. And like all addictive drugs, it promised something more profound than bliss…

Forgetfulness.

I can’t read this and help but think of the Nonmen. Obviously, italicized “remember” has been burned into our heads as a Nonman saying.

But the whole inversion of the immortality problem. Disciple lives for new experiences, those variations of circumstance he’s never lived before. The Nonmen live for old memories invoked by new experiences, variations of circumstance most like those lived before.

Strange…

And segue leaving Jitters.

Disciple makes it outside.

Quote from: ”p34”
I paused outside the entrance, imagined what the sky would look like if all you could see was bloated sun. I grabbed my Zippo, lit a cigarette. I savoured the smoke: blue slipping in, grey piling out. I wondered at that, the change in colour. I thought of the blue soaking into my lungs, swirling into my bloodstream, saturating my brain.

Beautiful blue. Like  a second lens, it always had a way of drawing things into sharper focus.

Lol, Bakker used to be quite the smoker apparently. Disciple offers some final notation for the chapter.

Bonjours are fishy. And he suspects the Mr. Bonjour.

Quote from: ”p35”
Or maybe it was just an excuse to light another smoke. I slipped on my shades and began walking. It made me feel smart, wringing the blue out of the smoke.

I was just a few packs away from one hundred thousand cigarettes. Happy times.

I really like the breadth of writing a detective character offers an author. Bakker gets to play with aphorisms and, hands down, this book has some of the best analogies, metaphors, and one-liners he has to offer.

Also, we get the sense of the detective narrative, though I await a traditional skewing.

- Missing Person: check.
- Distraught parentals hiring a PI: check.
- Detective with a twist: check.

What happens when the detective enters the game and inevitably precipitates events in the very puzzle he seeks to solve, motivating the players to act in ways they wouldn’t have otherwise, should the detective have remained absent?

What impact will Disciple have?

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The Almanac: PON Edition / TDTCB, Ch. 17
« on: December 27, 2013, 03:48:05 pm »
The Andiamine Heights

The event itself was unprecedented: not since the fall of Cenei to the Scylvendi hordes had so many potentates gathered in one place. But few knew Mankind itself lay upon the balance. And who could guess that a brief exchange of glances, not the Shriah’s edict, would tip that balance?

But is this not the very enigma of history? When one peers deep enough, one always finds that catastrophe and triumph, the proper objects of the historian’s scrutiny, inevitably turn upon the small, the trivial, the nightmarishly accidental. When I reflect overmuch on this fact, I do not fear that we are “drunks at the sacred dance,” as Protathis writes, but that there is no dance at all.


— DRUSAS ACHAMIAN, COMPENDIUM OF THE FIRST HOLY WAR

Straight from the Compendium we have historical notation – unprecedented event – and discourse of historicity. Also, the idea that history turns on the accidental. In the last chapter, Eleazaras quoted Iyokus as saying only madmen and historians believe their lies. 

§17.1 - The Great Names, Great Times Party


Late Spring, 4111 Year-of-the-Tusk

Finally, the contest of the Faithful vs. Ikurei’s is to be judged before the Great Names. They wander the enormous galleries of the Andiamine Heights.

Also, a Kellhus perspective, which seem to only sparsely populate the narrative.

Proyas offers us some historical notation to assuage Cnaiur’s fears or awe:

Quote from: ”TDTCB, p539, 2004 Canadian paperback”
Nansur are the most ancient people of the Three Seas, descendants of the Ceneians of near antiquity and the Kyraneans of far antiquity. They live their lives in the shadow of monumental works and so feel compelled to erect monuments” — he opened his hands to the soaring marmoreal vaults — “such as this.”

Cnaiur offers some Scylvendi spit to the vaunted floors.

Kellhus reflects on the passing week since he’d joined the Holy War and his time in the probability trance. The Holy War’s domination as circumstance is proving incalculable – he’s been denied interaction with the real movers and shakers of the Holy War. Until now.

The setting:

Quote from: p540
The great contest between the Emperor and the Great Names of the Holy War had come to a head. Offering Cnaüir as a substitute for Ikurei Conphas, Proyas had petitioned Maithanet to settle the dispute of the Emperor’s Indenture, and Ikurei Xerius III had accordingly invited all the Great Names to plead their case and hear the Shriah’s judgment. They were to meet in his Privy Gardens, sequestered somewhere within the gilded compounds of the Andiamine Heights.

One way or another, the Holy War was about to march on distant Shimeh.

Whether the Shriah sided with the Great Names and ordered the Emperor to provision the Holy War or with the Ikurei Dynasty and ordered the Great Names to sign the Imperial Indenture meant little to Kellhus. Either way it seemed the leaders of the Holy War would have competent counsel. The brilliance of Ikurei Conphas, the Nansur Exalt-General, was grudgingly acknowledged even by Proyas. And the intelligence of Cnaüir, as Kellhus knew first-hand, was beyond question. What mattered was that the Holy War eventually prevail against the Fanim, and bear him to Shimeh.

To his father. His mission.

Is this what you wanted, Father? Is this war to be my lesson?

We’re offered immediate juxtaposition – the lies (truths) Kellhus has told Cnaiur suggest that Kellhus has been sent to murder Moenghus, however, Kellhus seems intent on understanding why his father summoned him.
 
Xinemus and the Palatines offer some contextual comedy in time-killing efforts.

Quote from: ”TDTCB, p541”
“I have little patience for these games,” Cnauir said, and although the others heard this as a curious admission, Kellhus knew it to be a warning. This will be his trial, and I’ll be tried through him.

I really enjoy these moments when Cnaiur speaks to Kellhus’ Dunyainness purposefully.

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“The game is never over,” Proyas asserted. “The game is without beginning or end.”

Without beginning or end...

§17.2 - This one time, At Ishual…

Quote from: ”p541"
Kellhus had been a boy of eleven the first time he heard this phrase.

We’re introduced to boy Kellhus and one of his instructors, a Pragma. The Pragma sits as stone on the terrace and “instructs” Kellhus.

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“The Logos is without beginning or end, young Kellhus. Do you understand this?”

The instruction had begun.

“No, Pragma,” Kellhus replied.

Notation on teacher’s seeing through faces.

Historical notation:
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“Thousands of years ago, when the Dunyain first found —”

“After the ancient wars?” Kellhus eagerly interrupted. “When we were still refugees?”

Pragma lesson of smackdowns. Tells Kellhus impulse is weakness.

The “instruction” continues:

- “That which comes before determines that which comes after.”
- Principle does not decay like matter.
   - “The principle of before and after is nowhere to be found within the circuit of before and after. It is the ground of what is ‘young’ and what is ‘old,’ and so cannot itself be young or old; The Logos is without beginning or end” (p543).
   - Man is different from beast because he “apprehends the Logos; possess intellect.”
   - Dunyain breed for thought, limb, and face because of the Quandary of Man.

Notation aside:
Quote from: p543
A bee had droned into the shrine, and now it etched drowsy, random circles beneath the vaults.

This is often notated as evidence of bee-keeping as diet is a puzzle with the Dunyain.

“Instruction:”
   - Quandary of Man: “That he is a beast, that his appetites arise from the darkness of his soul, that his world assails him with arbitrary circumstance, and yet he apprehends the Logos.”
- “To be utterly free of bestial appetite. To utterly command the unfolding of circumstance. To be the perfect instrument of Logos and so attain the Absolute.”
   - Kellhus is not a perfect instrument because the darkness comes before him; that darkness is called Legion.

Quote from: ”p544”
“You are about to embark, young Kellhus, on the most difficult stage of your Conditioning: the mastery of the legion within. Only by doing this will you be able to survive the Labyrinth.”

“This will answer the question of the Thousand Thousand Halls?”

“No. But it will enable you to ask properly.”

I’ve always wondered about that last bit. I don’t think we ever get a concise answer as to what a Dunyain has to accomplish in the Thousand Thousand Halls.

§17.3 - Animal Heights, or Jnan, why didn’t you say so?

We enter the splendor that is the giant room to please Great Names, Kings, and Emperors: The Privy Garden (see what he did there ;)).

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the Privy Garden had been designed, Kellhus understood, to foster intimacy, to move visiting dignitaries with the gift of the Emperor’s confidence. This was a place of simplicity and elegance, the humble heart of the Emperor made earth and stone.

We get a momentary impression of the collective force that will lead the Holy War.

Quote from: ”p545”
The Lords of the Holy War. All gathered in one place.

The study deepens, Father.

Faces turned and voices fell silent as they approached. Several hailed Proyas, but most stared at Cnauir, emboldened by the open scrutiny of numbers.

Kellhus notes that Proyas has kept Cnaiur, and to a lesser extent Kellhus, sequestered from the Great Names so as to control the presentation. After flaunting his captives, Proyas draws the A-team aside. The crowd erupts such is their curiosity and Xinemas barks at them.

Kellhus begins the mental dress down of the characters. Proyas, for instance, is pious yet trained by Achamian to be wary of certainty, which the Prince only applies to others.

Quote from: ”p546”
“They seem anxious,” Kellhus said.

“And why not?” Proyas replied. “I bring them a Prince who claims to dream of Shimeh and a Scylvendi heathen who could be their general.”

Proyas speaks giving Kellhus far too much information at the beginning of such a meeting, which Kellhus breaks down in thoughts.
   - Proud men don’t make wise decisions; their lives depend on the decisions of these proud men.
   - Prince Coithus Saubon, Seventh Son of King Eryeat of the Galeoth. Kicker of Asses until Conphas lays the smackdown. Cares nothing for the Tusk or the Latter Prophet; the Prince would support them only in a correspondence of cause, when their ends are mutual.

Saubon looks to them and their eyes meet. Kellhus reads him from across the Garden:
- He fears nothing more than the estimation of other men.
- He would make a demonstration of his life, shame the eyes that measure.


   - Hoga Gothyelk, Earl of Agansanor (earls are almost as cool as barons) “elected leader” (p547) of Ce Tydonn. Proyas’ father got cut by him once. But they’re all good friends now: “According to rumor, Hoga Gothyelk is as pious in the temple as he’s indomitable on the field; He’s one of us.

Gothyelk can’t give them the cursory up and down because he’s got nephews; they drink! Great times at the Animal Heights.

Quote from: ”p548”
But far more than their drinking, Kellhus knew, had incited the old Earl’s fury.
- He’s done something... He thinks himself damned.
- He’s come to die. Die cleansed.


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“And that man,” Proyas continued, daring to point, “in the center of that group wearing masks... Do you see him?”

Chepheramunni wearing wicked porcelain across his face, sporting a beard, King-Regent (Spires’ Whipping Boy) of High Ainon.

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“Why do they wear masks?”

“The Ainoni are a debauched people,” Proyas replied, casting a wary glance at their immediate vicinity. “A race of mummers. They’re overly concerned with the subtleties of human intercourse. They regard a concealed face a potent weapon in all matters concerning jnan.”

“Jnan,” Cnauir muttered, “is a disease you all suffer.”

Proyas smiled, amused by the relentlessness of the plainsman’s contempt. “Doubtless we do. But the Ainoni suffer it mortally.”

“Forgive me,” Kellhus said, “but just what is ‘jnan’?”

Proyas shot him a puzzled look. “I’ve never pondered it much before,” he admitted. “Byantas, I recall, defines it as ‘the war of word and sentiment.’ But it’s far more. The subtleties that guide the conduct between men, you might say. It’s” — he shrugged — “simply something we do.”

Kellhus nodded. They know so little of themselves, Father.

… Tough luck Inrithi.

Proyas points out the Men in White Tusks. Incheiri Gotion. Grandmaster of the Shrial Knights (Maithanet’s Personal Swiss Army). He is to proxy Maithanet’s judgment in the case Proyas has brought before the Great Names; He does not feel equal to his burden. He yearns to be moved... Moved by someone more holy than he.

Quote from: ”p549”
“A good man,” Kellhus repeated. I need only convince him I’m more holy.

Prince Skaiyelt of Thunyerus and the Giant Yalgrota. Constantly geared for war. Skaiyelt is scared as though poxed.

Yalgrota measures Cnaiur and Proyas offers words against conflict.

Quote from: ”p550”
“Let’s pray his interest in you is academic, Scylvendi.”

Cnauir matched Yalgrota’s gaze without blinking. “Yes,” he said evenly, “for his sake. A man is measured by more than his frame.”

Proyas arched his brows, grinned sidelong at Kellhus.

“You think,” Kellhus asked the Scylvendi, “that he’s not as long as he’s tall?”

Proyas laughed aloud, but Cnauir’s ferocious eyes seized Kellhus. Play these fools if you must, Dunyain, but do not play me!

Cnaiur is not a mere lamb.

Proyas tells Kellhus he is reminding him of Xinemas; Of the man he esteems above all others.

Does a Dunyain soul laugh for the ease?

The Thunyeri only converted to Inrithism (I assume from the Kiunnat traditions) a generation ago. They sport shrunken Sranc heads.

Quote from: ”p551”
Skaiyelt is no exception in this regard, as far as I can tell — the man can’t speak a word of Sheyic. He’ll need to be... managed, I imagine, but not taken seriously otherwise.”

There’s a great game here, Kellhus thought, and there’s no place for those who don’t know the rules. Nevertheless, he asked, “Why’s that?”

Kellhus has Proyas inadvertently compare Skaiyelt and Cnair as illiterate barbarians, which highlights the precariousness of their position.

Then two of the Emperor’s Eothic Guardsman drag in a naked shackled man. His arms are scarred as Scylvendi.

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“Cunning fiends,” Proyas muttered under his breath. The Guardsmen yanked the man into sunlight. He wobbled drunkenly, heedless of his exposed phallus. He raised a piteous face to the warmth of the sun. His eyes had been gouged out.

“Who is he?” Kellhus asked.

Cnauir spat, watched the Guardsman chain the man to the base of the Emperor’s bench.

“Xunnurit,” he said after a moment. “Our King-of-Tribes at the Battle of Kiyuth.”

“A token of Scylvendi weakness, no doubt,” Proyas said tightly. “Of Cnauir urs Skiotha’s weakness... Evidence in what will be your trial.”

§17.4 – The Logos Repeating

Back to Pragma instruction.

Sit. Repeat “The Logos is without beginning or end” (p552) until directed otherwise.

After some time, Kellhus is told to cease saying it aloud and to subvocalize, which he finds more difficult. His face becomes slack for effort. His body is still.

Quote from: ”p553”
The Logos is without beginning or end. The Logos is without beginning or end. The Logos is without beginning or end. The Logos is without...

The sun waxed across the disheveled mountainsides, mottling his periphery with the contrast of dark plummets and bright bald faces. Kellhus found himself at war. Inchoate urges reared from nothingness, demanding thought. Unuttered voices untwined from darkness, demanding thought. Hissing images railed, pleaded, threatened — all demanding thought. And through it all:

The Logos is without beginning or end. The Logos is without beginning or end. The Logos is without...

Long afterward, he would realize this exercise had demarcated his soul. The incessant repetition of the Pragma’s proposition had pitted him against himself, had shown him the extent to which he was other to himself. For the first time he could truly see the darkness that had preceded him, and he knew that before this day, he had never truly been awake.

When the sun sets, the Pragma breaks Kellhus’ meditation.

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“You have completed your first day, young Kellhus, and now you will continue through the night. When the dawn sun broaches the eastern glacier, you will cease repeating the last word of the proposition but otherwise continue. Each time the sun breaks from the glacier, you will cease repeating the last word.

The battle within continues…

Quote from: ”p554”
And the proposition became something drunken, something that stumbled and staggered through a nightmarish chorus of agitations, distractions, and frenzied passions. They howled within him — like something dying.

The sun breaks his concentration and the Pragma lays the lesson of smackdown again.

§17.5 – Dreams of the Outside and Strange Faces

Kellhus ponders the Great Names:

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Any one of these people, he concluded, might be as easily possessed as Leweth had been — despite their fierce pride. But in their sum, they were incalculable.

They were a labyrinth, a thousand thousand halls, and he had to pass through them. He had to own them.

What if this Holy War exceeds my abilities? What then, Father?

“Do you feast, Dunyain?” Cnauir asked in bitter Scylvendi. “Grow fat on faces?” Proyas had left them to confer with Gotian, and for the moment, the two of them were alone.

“We share the same mission, Scylvendi.”

Kellhus reflects on what has come before. Claiming Royal blood secured him a position among the Inrithi ruling caste.

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Acting became being.

His other claim, however — his claim to have dreamt of Shimeh and the Holy War — had secured him a far different position, one more fraught with peril and possibility … But all of them conceded Kellhus the same position.

For the peoples of the Three Seas, dreams, no matter how trivial, were a serious matter. Dreams were not, as the Dünyain had thought before Moenghus’s summons, mere rehearsals, ways for the soul to train itself for different eventualities. Dreams were the portal, the place where the Outside infiltrated the World, where what transcended men — be it the future, the distant, the demonic, or the divine — found imperfect expression in the here and now.

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As a mechanism of control, however, Kellhus had to manufacture some reason for his dreams to be special.

Why did Kellhus make the original assertion about dreaming from afar? Especially, if he had come to understand that his father succeeded by mechanism of sorcery. But Kellhus finds the balance in doubting his own dreams along with the haters.

Quote from: ”p556”
By claiming to be less than what he seemed to be, he moved men, even learned men such as Proyas and Achamian, to hope or fear that he might be more.

He would never utter it, never claim it, but he would manufacture the circumstances that would make it seem true. Then all those who counted themselves secret watchers, all those who breathlessly asked “Who is this man?” would be gratified like never before. He would be their insight.

They would be unable to doubt him then. To doubt him would be to think their own insights empty. To disown him would be to disown themselves.
Kellhus would step onto conditioned ground.

So many permutations... But I see the path, Father.

Jokes start happening in the Privy Garden. It’s all good times, especially when someone mocks the Emperor. Some plucky Galeoth thane does some faux Imperial poses. People applaud.

Saubon collects the boy and not some seconds later, Xeries and Conphas come strolling out. Everyone starts laughing again as Xerius adopts one of the mock poses and gets laughed at until a eunuch explains to him…

Lol.

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To be premeditated, he knew, was the most galling of insults. In this way even an Emperor might be made a slave — though, Kellhus realized, he did not know why. Finally Xerius settled on the Norsirai posture: hands braced on his knees.

Kellhus studies the imperial retinue... and happens upon:

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"A different face, among the Counsels... a troubling face. It was the subtlest of incongruities, a vague wrongness, that drew his attention at first. An old man dressed in fine charcoal silk robes, a man obviously deferred to and respected by the others. One of his companions leaned to him and muttered something inaudible through the rumble of voices. But Kellhus could see his lips: Skeaos...

The Counsel’s name.



No perceptible blush reflex. Disconnect between heart rate and apparent expression —

But the drone of surrounding voices trailed into silence, and he withdrew, reassembled. The Emperor was about to speak. Words that could seal the fate of the Holy War.

Five heartbeats had passed.

What could this mean? A single, indecipherable face among a welter of transparent expressions. Skeaos... Are you my father’s work?

§17.6 – No-Thought?

Quote from: ”p558”
The Logos is without beginning or. The Logos is without beginning or. The Logos is without beginning or. The Logos is without...

Kellhus is in the depths of meditation. The Pragma pours water once and awhile. The sky wheels, sun rising and setting.

Quote from: ”p559”
Until he whispered only: The Logos. The Logos. The Logos...



When the sun reared yet again, his thoughts receded to a single word:

The. The. The. The...



The. The...

A moving soul chained to the brink, to the exquisite moment before something, anything. The tree, the heart, the everything transformed into nothing by repetition, by the endless accumulation of the same refusal to name.

A corona of gold across the high slopes of the glacier.

... and then nothing.

No thought.

§17.7 – Heathens and Skin-Spies

Quote from: ”p560”
“The Empire welcomes you,” Xerius announced, his voice straining to be mild. He drew his gaze across the Great Names of the Men of the Tusk, lingering for a moment on the Scylvendi at Kellhus’s side. He smiled.

And it begins.

Xerius compares Cnaiur to Xunnurit who is broken and a slave.

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“Tell me,” the Emperor said, finding comfort in this petty brutality. “Of what tribe is this one?”

Cnauir seemed unaffected. “This one was of the Akkunihor.”

“‘Was,’ you say? He’s dead to you, I suppose.”

“No. Not dead. He is nothing to me.”

The nihilism seems to breathe strong here.

Quote from: ”p561”
“To break one man is to break nothing, I suppose. It’s too easy to break a man. But to break a people... Surely this is something, no?”

The imperial expression became jubilant when Cnauir failed to reply.

Xerius continued: “My nephew here, Conphas, has broken a people. Perhaps you’ve heard of them. The People of War.”

Again, Cnauir refused to answer. His look, however, was murderous.

Your people, Scylvendi. Broken at Kiyuth. Were you at Kiyuth, I wonder?”

“I was at Kiyuth,” Cnauir grated.

“Were you broken?”

Silence.

“Were you broken?

All eyes were now on the Scylvendi.

“I was” — he searched for the proper Sheyic term — “schooled at Kiyuth.”

Cnaiur highlights what Conphas had shown Cnaiur of his military acumen. Galeoth; pike formations against mounted charge. Kianene; channeling his opponent, false flight, hoarding calvary in reserve.

Quote from: ”p562”
“And from the Scylvendi, he learned the importance of the gobokzoy, the ‘moment’ — that one must read his enemy from afar and strike at the instant of their unbalance.”

“At Kiyuth, I learned,” he continued, turning his hard eyes upon Conphas, “that war is intellect.

Referencing the day Martemus and Conphas had moved alone among the dead of Kiyuth.

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The shock was plain on the Imperial Nephew’s face, and Kellhus wondered at the force of these words. But too much happened for him to focus on this problem. The air was taut with this contest of Emperor and barbarian.

Now it was the Emperor’s turn to remain silent.

Kellhus understood the stakes of this exchange. The Emperor needed to show the incompetence of the Scylvendi. Xerius had made his Indenture the price of Ikurei Conphas. Like any merchant, Xerius could justify this price only by maligning the wares of his competitors.

Saubon demands a decision, the Emperor says it’s to Gotian to decide, Gothyelk harasses Gotion, the Emperor says they haven’t ridiculed the Scylvendi enough.

The Emperor compares Cnaiur a heathen to a heathen, says the Holy War will suffer the defeat of the Vulgar Holy War. Proyas counters that Conphas or Cnaiur, they select an advisor, not a leader.

Quote from: ”p563”
“An outrage still!” the Emperor roared. “An army with ten generals? When you founder, and you will, for you know not the cunning of the Kianene, then to whom will you turn? A Scylvendi? In your moment of crisis? Of all the absurdities! It will be a heathen’s Holy War then! Sweet Sejenus, this man’s a Scylvendi,” he cried plaintively, as though to a loved one gone mad. “Does this mean nothing to you fools? He is a blight upon the very earth! His very name is blasphemy! An abomination before the God!”

“You’d speak of outrage to us?” Proyas cried in reply. “You’d school in piety those who’d sacrifice their very lives for the Tusk? What of your iniquities, Ikurei? What of you, who’d make a tool of the Holy War?”

“I would preserve the Holy War, Proyas! Save the God’s instrument from your ignorance!”

We know of Xerius’ conspiracy with the Fanim already so this is moot point as far as the reader is concerned.

Saubon suggests that Cnaiur demonstrate his martial knowledge in his breakdown of Conphas. Emperor is too outraged (probably for reals) that they can’t see the lunacy of considering a Scylvendi.

Quote from: ”p564”
“My uncle speaks the truth,” Conphas called out, and a hush fell across the noblemen. The great Conphas had finally spoken. He would be the more sober voice.

“You know nothing of the Scylvendi,” he continued matter-of-factly. “They’re not heathens like the Fanim. Their wickedness isn’t one of distortion, of twisting the true faith into an abomination. They’re a people without gods.”



“They call these scars swazond,” he said, as though a patient tutor, “a word that means ‘dyings.’ To us, they are little more than savage trophies, not unlike the shrunken Sranc heads that the Thunyeri stitch onto their shields. But they’re far more to the Scylvendi. Those dyings are their only purpose. The very meaning of their lives is written into those scars. Our dyings... Do you understand this?”

He looked into the faces of the assembled Inrithi, was satisfied by the apprehension he saw there. It was one thing to admit a heathen into their midst; it was quite another to have the details of his wickedness enumerated.

Conphas continues along this theme. How can a Scylvendi be trusted?

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Conphas looked to Proyas.

“Ask him, Proyas. Ask him what moves his soul.”

Then some reminiscence by Kellhus:

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As a child, he’d seen expressions in the same manner as world-born men, as something understood without understanding. But now he could see the joists beneath the planks of a man’s expression, and because of this, he could calculate, with terrifying exactitude, the distribution of forces down to a man’s foundation.

But this Skeaos baffled him. Where he saw through others, he saw only the mimicry of depth in the old man’s face. The nuanced musculature that produced his expression was unrecognizable — as though moored to different bones.

This man had not been trained in the manner of the Dunyain. Rather, his face was not a face.

Moments passed, incongruities accumulated, were classified, cobbled into hypothetical alternatives...

Limbs. Slender limbs folded and pressed into the simulacrum of a face.

Kellhus blinked, and his senses leapt back into their proper proportion. How was this possible? Sorcery? If so, it possessed nothing of the strange torsion he’d experienced with the Nonman he’d battled so long ago. Sorcery, Kellhus had realized, was inexplicably grotesque — like the scribblings of a child across a work of art — though he did not know why. All he knew was that he could distinguish sorcery from the world and sorcerers from common men. This was among the many mysteries that had motivated his study of Drusas Achamian.

This face, he was relatively certain, had nothing to do with sorcery. But then how?

What is this man?

Facking skin-spies. The Consult have been pushing for the complete destruction of the heathen the whole time.

Skeaos sees Kellhus watching him. They nod. Kellhus realizes that no own realizes Skeaos is false.

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The study deepens, Father. Always it deepens.

“As a youth,” Proyas was saying, “I was tutored by a Mandate Schoolman, Conphas. He’d say you’re rather optimistic about the Scylvendi.”

Several laughed openly at this — relieved.

“Mandate stories,” Conphas said evenly, “are worthless.”

“Perhaps,” Proyas replied, “but of a par with Nansur stories.”

“But that’s not the question, Proyas,” old Gothyelk said, his accent so thick that his Sheyic was barely comprehensible. “The question is, how can we trust this heathen?”

Proyas turned to the Scylvendi at his side, suddenly hesitant.

“Then what of it, Cnauir?” he asked.

Throughout the exchange, Cnauir had remained silent, doing little to conceal his contempt. Now he spat in Conphas’s direction.

§17.8 – Those that Fail, Die

Quote from: ”p566”
No thought.

The boy extinguished. Only a place. This place.

The Pragma and the boy sit motionless.

Until…

Quote from: ”p567”
The old man’s left hand forsook his right sleeve, bearing a watery knife. And like a rope in water, his arm pitched outward, fingertips trailing across the blade as the knife swung languidly into the air, the sun skating and the dark shrine plunging across its mirror back...

And the place where Kellhus had once existed extended an open hand — the blond hairs like luminous filaments against tanned skin — and grasped the knife from stunned space.
The slap of pommel against palm triggered the collapse of place into little boy. The pale stench of his body. Breath, sound, and lurching thoughts.

I have been legion...



Now I understand.

§17.9 – Kellhus and Cnaiur, the Party Starters

Cnaiur takes the stand.

Quote from: ”p567”
“You would sound me,” Cnauir said at length. “Make clear the riddle of the Scylvendi heart. But you use your own hearts to map mine. You see a man abased before you, Xunnurit. A man bound to me by kinship of blood. What an offence this must be, you say. His heart must cry for vengeance. And you say this because your heart would so cry. But my heart is not your heart. This is why it is a riddle to you.”

“Xunnurit is not a name of shame to the People. It is not even a name. He who does not ride among us is not us. He is other. But you, who mistake your heart for mine — who see only two Scylvendi, one broken, one erect — think he must still belong to me. You think his degradation is my own, and that I would avenge this. Conphas would have you think this. Why else would Xunnurit be among us? What better way to discredit the strong man than by making a broken man his double? Perhaps it is the Nansur heart that should be sounded.”

Conphas interrupts and drama ensues, accusations fly. The Imperials are trying to steal the Holy War from the God. The Scylvendi and the Spires are anathema. The Scarlet Spires balance against Cishaurim. Cnaiur can save them from the same fate as the Vulgar Holy War.

Quote from: ”p568”
“None of this is to the point!” Conphas cried.

He lies, Kellhus realized. They knew the Vulgar Holy War would be destroyed. They wanted it to be destroyed... Suddenly Kellhus understood that the outcome of this debate was in fact paramount to his mission. The Ikureis had sacrificed an entire host in order to strengthen their claim over the Holy War. What further disaster would they manufacture once it became an inconvenience?

“The question,” Conphas ardently continued, “is whether you can trust a Scylvendi to lead you against the Kianene!”

“But that isn’t the question,” Proyas countered. “The question is whether we can trust a Scylvendi over you.”

“But how could this even be an issue?” Conphas implored. “Trust a Scylvendi over me?” He laughed harshly. “This is madness!”

More drama about the Indenture over the Tractate and birthright, the words and lands of the Latter Prophet.

Quote from: ”p569”
“It’s the God’s land, Ikurei,” Proyas said cuttingly. “The very land of the Latter Prophet. Or would you put the pathetic annals of Nansur before the Tractate? Before our Lord, Inri Sejenus?”

Conphas remained silent for a moment, gauging these words. One did not, Kellhus realized, lightly enter a contest of piety with Nersei Proyas.

“And who are you, Proyas, to ask this question?” Conphas returned, rallying his earlier calm. “Hmm? You who would put a heathen — a Scylvendi, no less! — before Sejenus.”

“We are all instruments of the Gods, Ikurei. Even a heathen — a Scylvendi, no less — can be an instrument, if such is the God’s will.”

“Would we guess at God’s will, then? Eh, Proyas?”

“That, Ikurei, is Maithanet’s task.” Proyas turned to Gotian, who had been watching them keenly all this time. “What does Maithanet say, Gotian? Tell us. What says the Shriah?”

Kellhus knows Gotian isn’t ready.

Quote from: ”p570”
“I would ask the Scylvendi,” Gotian said, clearing his voice, “why he has come.”

Cnaüir looked hard at the Shrial Knight, at the Tusk embroidered in gold across his white vestment. The words are in you, Scylvendi. Speak them.

“I have come,” Cnauir said at length, “for the promise of war.”

Cnaiur tells some sweet lies until some classic Scylvendi:

Quote from: ”p571”
“Do not mistake me, Inrithi. In this much Conphas is right. You are all staggering drunks to me. Boys who would play at war when you should kennel with your mothers. You know nothing of war. War is dark. Black as pitch. It is not a God. It does not laugh or weep. It rewards neither skill nor daring. It is not a trial of souls, not the measure of wills. Even less is it a tool, a means to some womanish end. It is merely the place where the iron bones of the earth meet the hollow bones of men and break them.”

“You have offered me war, and I have accepted. Nothing more. I will not regret your losses. I will not bow my head before your funeral pyres. I will not rejoice at your triumphs. But I have taken the wager. I will suffer with you. I will put Fanim to the sword, and drive their wives and children to the slaughter. And when I sleep, I will dream of their lamentations and be glad of heart.”

There was a moment of stunned silence. Then Gothyelk, the old Earl of Agansanor, said, “I’ve ridden on many campaigns. My bones are old, but they’re my bones still, not the fire’s. And I’ve learned to trust the man who hates openly, and to fear only those who hate in secret. I’m satisfied with this man’s answer — though I like it little.” He turned to Conphas, his eyes narrow with distrust. “It’s a sad thing when a heathen schools us in honesty.”

Slowly, this assent was echoed by others.

But still Kellhus senses that Gotian is troubled… and so makes his move. He offers some Dunyainic play by play, strumming the Inrithi like a fucking lyre. Then:

Quote from: ”p573”
“Now, I can vouch for the honor of Cnauir urs Skiotha, but then who would vouch for me? So let’s assume that both men, Emperor and Chieftain, are equally untrustworthy. Given this, the answer lies in something you already know: we undertake the God’s work, but it’s dark and bloody work nonetheless. There is no fiercer labor than war.” He studied their faces, glancing at each as though he stood with him alone. They stood upon the brink, he could see, on the cusp of the conclusion reason itself had compelled. Even Xerius.

“Whether we accept the stewardship of the Emperor or the Chieftain,” he continued, “we concede the same trust, and we concede the same labor...”

Kellhus paused, looked to Gotian. He could see the inferences move of their own volition through the man’s soul.

“But with the Emperor,” Gotian said, nodding slowly, “we concede the wages of our labor as well.”

A murmur of profound agreement passed through the Men of the Tusk.

Conphas seizes upon the fallacy too late. Gotion opens his canister and selects the scroll with the black wax seal. He turns to address the Emperor:

Quote from: ”p574”
“Ikurei Xerius III, Emperor of Nansur, by authority of the Tusk and the Tractate, and according to the ancient constitution of Temple and State, you are ordered to provision the instrument of our great —”

But the assembled go wild and begin abandoning the Garden to prepare for Holy War before Gotion can finish. Maithanet has spoken. Proyas shakes hands all around, gets some pats on the back.

Kellhus watches as the Emperor has Skeaos seized for his subtle nod to Kellhus.

Quote from: ”p575”
The handsome face of Ikurei Xerius III then turned to him, as terrified as it was enraged.

He thinks I’m party to his Counsel’s treachery. He wishes to seize me but can think of no pretext.

Kellhus turned to Cnauir, who stood stoically, studying the naked form of his kinsman chained beneath the Emperor’s feet. “We must leave quickly,” Kellhus said. “There has been too much truth here.”

HOLY WAR!

Cheers.

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General Misc. / Sons of Anarchy (TV Show) [Spoilers (Seasons 1-6)]
« on: December 25, 2013, 02:05:57 pm »
Who else is into this?

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General Misc. / Happy Ritual!
« on: December 24, 2013, 03:14:53 pm »
Because I'm clearly less inventive (read dumber) than last year:

Quote from: Madness
We have paraded through the streets, we have invaded temples - spent weeks and months storing energy for this day of personal ritual. Those persons who measure their lives in the monetary bumps they snort from consumer culture laugh as gods while the world bows in orthodoxy.

Merry Christmas,
Happy Constitution Day,
Malkh,
Quaid-e-Azam,
Takanakuy,
Happy Kwanzaa,
and Happy Hanukkah...

Cheers all. Celebrate life :D!

Quote from: Curethan
Where did I put that TSA christmas poem...
aha
All credit to Sil-Inchor from the 3seas forum

Twas the Night Before the Second Apocalypse.

Twas just after the womb-plague
And all through the manse
Not a Nonman was stirring
Not even their prince.
The chorae were hung
By the chimney with care
In hopes that the Carapace
Soon would be there.

The sranc were all nestled
Up snug in their beds
Visions of obscenity
Dancing in their heads
When up on Earwa
There arose such a clatter
The violent arrival
Of Man’s Darkest Hour

Away to the windows
The Mandate did fly
They threw open the shutters
Light poured from their eyes
And what did their dream-blearied orbs
There perceive
But a towering storm shouting
WHAT DO YOU SEE?
With a nimil sarcophagus
So shiny and dread
They knew that slain Lokung
Was no longer Dead.

More rapid than eagles
The Consult they came
And He bellowed and gibbered
And screamed out their names

ON SKAFRA, ON GLORTMUND, ON HALGYS AND AURAX
ON BLODMYR, ON THREKLA, ON LYRNYR AND AURANG

TO THE NAIL HIGH IN HEAVEN
TO THE GODS THERE OUTSIDE
ON WRACU, ON BASHRAG, TO RUIN WE RIDE

So up to the skies
His legions they flew
Man-Traitors and skin-spies
The last Inchoroi, too

The Mandate, despairing
Could not stay aloof
They burned in the fires
Of the great Mog-Pharau

The Men of the Three Seas
Were soon overthrown
Their hearthstones all cracked
And their great kings dethroned
The Shriah was headless
The Emperor dead.
‘Twas the Second Apocalypse
The prophets all said

But remember, dear children
That though the No-God would fell us
If things really turn ugly
We can all trust in Kellhus

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Philosophy & Science / The Advent of Neural Prostheses
« on: December 11, 2013, 02:40:26 pm »
So I was reading about this the other day:

Restoration of function after brain damage using a neural prosthesis

And then I found this today:

Facilitation of memory encoding in primate hippocampus by a neuroprosthesis that promotes task-specific neural firing

Essentially, the work is being done (successfully) that enable them to facilitate our own connections in the brain, at processing speeds, which may easily defeat axon conductance or, the faster yet, processing via myelin nerve fibers.

Add to this the speedy advances in optogenetics...

Semantica truly comes...

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General Misc. / Art of Manliness - Why Men Should Read Fiction
« on: December 07, 2013, 01:53:45 pm »
Apologies to anyone reading who doesn't self-attribute as male; but I guarantee there are useful nuggets to any orientation.

Why Men Should Read More Fiction

Also, anyone, but especially guys, who doesn't/don't have the Art of Manliness bookmarked should probably do so now.

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Through the Brain Darkly / A TTBD Fan Glossary
« on: December 04, 2013, 12:54:37 pm »
So with the imminent release of Through the Brain Darkly - this is strictly a guess and a hope and baseless of any corroboration by the authors or their representation - I've been working on collecting and recompiling a number of terms that Bakker uses in the papers and posts which will constitute the bulk content of Bakker's first non-fiction work. This is a teaser.

Truth is, I've been working on this since midsummer but hey, it's been an intense year.

My aim was/is to satisfy the sparse cries for an explanation of terms echoing round TPB, Westeros, and here. Obviously, I neither feel capable nor coherent enough to tackle such a prodigiously intelligent and prolific writer but I figure if I can facilitate any one of us in sharpening our perspectives of BBT/BBH then there might be more of us to make informed decisions in the future when those who inevitable use this knowledge for power attempt to do so. Also, it is intra-referentially heavy so as to showcase the interlocking parts and how the individual definitions inform the body as a whole. It should be that every bolding in my definitions is another of Bakker's terms (whether I've finished it and it's here is another question).

These are a rough few I've "completed" so far. I've found thirty-one, twenty-nine of which aren't really tied to existing analogues in the literatures I'm familiar with. It is an ongoing work and process (obviously one Mellamphy is engaging in while "transcribing" Bakker's work to book form) and I invite everyone to get involved and get excited (if to do nothing else than support your favorite author by harkening the end of the world ;)).

Medial vs. Lateral & Recursive Systems are the set pieces and also the ones I feel least sure about. They seem to inform everything else. I finished Sufficiency and RS right now. Also, where prior notation exists, Bakker isn't necessarily using it the same (for instance, in neurobiology, medial and lateral specifically simply inform the brain's compass by which specific neurons can be generally noted - they are location notation, whereas here they don't have correlates in biology yet). And I tried to make the entries jargon heavy and the breakdown simple (obviously, this is where my interpretation is bound to be in most error).

Through the Brain Darkly Fan Glossary:

Positioning Problem:

The Recursive System(s) (RS) hypothesized to integrate closed, rather than process open information, generating consciousness is itself physically (electrically and chemically mediated) situated by the recapitulation of various information interaction patterns, which occur in the environment around of us. In this case, neural architecture, cortical representation, or schema: that is, the physical definition of the brain due to interaction with our environment (including the effects of our endogenous environment).

Due to the open-closed properties of a RS, information that a RS processes, including that which is integrated into an asymptotic complex, mediates the efficacy of heuristic ecology outside of conscious awareness and the total integrated information available to persistent global sufficiency.

The Breakdown:

The prize of introspection seems to be our ability to pay attention to paying attention: the major assumption is that introspection relies on physical architecture located somewhere, anywhere, the brain. This would suggest any individual or collective distribution of conscious function (trends offer that this is more likely a very selective process, indeed) rely on only specific neural pathways. Bakker long pimped the thalamocortical structures, which research suggests is a major relay system for action in the brain, but I think he was primarily using it as a metaphor.

Brain architecture has defined pathways for the conduction of nerve signals (though, technically, some neurons can and do communicate backwards to structures that had previously fed them signals to fire or to the presynaptic terminals of the previous neuron). Where introspection can happen, it does by recursion (in essence citing, it would seem, the relationship between the neocortex, mammalian, and reptilian brain).

Finally, where a particular structure does not receive informatic, signal, access to other information, that information can’t exist, even as an absence. The actual information that seems to culminate in our experience is processed separately by a number of different, ultimately disconnected structures processing distinct signals in parallel.

Logic of Neglect:

Consciousness is Brainbound, a possible product of a subsystem within the brain. It is subject to Informatic Horizons as well as being unable to change its position relative to itself, as locomotion allows for through the environment. Examples like geocentrism suggest a natural consequence of being earthbound, the logic of neglect, the inability to account for etiology outside of our perceptive experience or cognitive capabilities, is noocentrism: assuming we can offer a most descriptive information packet, concerning an environment (consciousness) that we can’t change our positions relative to.

The Breakdown:

This brings to mind, negative cues, of the Sherlock Holmes variety. The idea, the logic of neglect, is that most, if not all, available examples where we are mistaken about phenomenological processes show that this is due to the our inability to simply know better: whether through greater cognitive or perceptual lack. We can’t account for information we don’t have and don’t know we don’t have.

Ideas and tools gave humans an ability to change our position relative to our earthbound biology, which greatly enhanced our capacities for processing information but also disabused our phenomenal selves of geocentrism. Ideas and tools are already giving us an ability to change our position relative to our Brainbound neurology, which may enhance our capacities to process information but may also disabuse our phenomenal selves of noocentrism.

The logic of neglect is the specific tool by which these positions are leveraged. Like Sherlock Holmes solving the mystery by realizing that the dog didn’t bark and thus knew the murderer, mysteries of our phenomenal realities are distinguished by information we lack.

Error Consciousness:

Biases such as the Informatic Frame of Reference (IFS) suggest consciousness’ constant perception of effective utility (freewill, willpower) results in conscious experience as perceived efficacious, even when consciousness is not necessarily facilitating function.

The Breakdown:

We always like to think we are actively and effectively negotiating our lives, as best we can, even when we make grievous errors in judgment, say, geocentrism or flat earth. We can be certain of our efficacious in our various environments yet be equally mistaken in thinking we’re responsible for facilitating our successes. Freud or Socrates also comes to mind.

Hard Problem:
(Existing Notation – Philosophy)

The Blind Brain paradigm (BBP) breaks the philosophic Hard Problem into two distinct prepositional issues: the Generation Problem (GP) and the Explanadum Problem (EP), respectively. The GP asks how, specifically, brain matter generates consciousness, the exact physical mechanism by which a Recursive Systems arises. The EP is supplementary to the GP in that it asks what kind of answer will satisfy the GP as to allow the kind of gestalt shift, which happens in accounting for new information.

The Breakdown:

As the philosophic groundwork for a naturalized account of philosophy, BBP distinguishes the classic Hard Problem, basically by aggravating it with the EP. GP questions Meat Brain; how meat thinks. EP will be resolved whenever it permeates academic and society and reveals how the answer to the GP changes our self-perception.

Information Frame of Reference:

The cognitive capacity, awareness of the total asymptotic complex, of the Recursive Systems’ (RS) available information is available at all because it is integrated and has passed asymptotic limits of the RS via Information Horizons, which would seem analogous to fairly well documented perceptual thresholds.

Used in text in a cross-section of Error Consciousness and Information Frame of Reference errors; geocentrism.

The Breakdown:

There is a capacity for consciousness not to know. Basic retention demonstrates that we didn’t know many things we come to know – knowing in both cases highlighting the ability of simple recitation. There are thresholds of integration, which simply define a border and sketch a broad area of unknowing; that which is outside our biological capacity to perceive and an area of context which distinguishes the border markers in relation to the world beyond our available perception.

First and Second Order Information:
(Existing Notation – Philsophy)

Information processed by the greater brain outside of the closed Recursive System (RS) is referred as first-order information, tracked laterally. Information integrated by the open RS, passing asymptotic thresholds, informatic horizons, is referred to as second-order information.

The Breakdown:

First-order information refers to the brain modeling the environment – it seems that our brain inscribes, models, the environment in the meat. Second-order information, however, is the only part of the whole shebang that we experience; thus, we are stranded with second-order information to explain first-order phenomenon. There is currently no way to be sure that the relationships of second-order information reflect the actual efficacy of the brain as processing first-order information.

Lateral vs. Medial:
(Existing Notation: Biopsychology)

The brain evolved in its environment, recapitulating neural representation of sensory experience of the environment – vestibular functions, proprioception, among those sensations, which allow for the abstract recapitulation of locomotion, etc. Lateral modeling refers to those cortical representations, which model Information Interaction Patterns within the environment. Medial modeling refers to those cortical representations, which model the lateral recapitulations of environment. Medial modeling, a la closed Recursive System, seems to allow for the conscious asymptotic complex, or perceptual experience.

The Breakdown:

Our brains model themselves to reflect experience. However, conscious experience is unnecessary for perceptual experience to form cortical representations of brain architecture reflecting the Information Interaction Patterns within the environment – we need a Recursive System, a self-referential theory (a la Hofstader?) of sorts to account for our ability to reflect on our selves within the environment.

Informatic Neglect:

Closed Recursive Systems simply cannot account for information that it doesn’t receive. Despite Global Asymptotic Complex, the myriad of RS actually work in parallel, across a variety of Informatic Horizons. In each case, the closed RS, conscious asymptotic complex only has access to the information, which is recursively integrated, passing the asymptotic limits of IH, and therefore implies information processed by the various open RS is unavailable to the closed RS.

The Breakdown:

Ignorance is ignorant - you do not know that you do not know what you do not know. This is simply applied to the idea of individually closed Recursive Systems.

Sufficiency:

Information processed by the Global Asymptotic Complex, recursively integrated, is referred to as sufficient. Information Asymmetry accounts for the closed Recursive System seeming total and complete, in and of itself. Sufficiency is limited by Informatic Horizons but refers to the innate sense of having all-available information, despite being so constrained.

The Breakdown:

Bakker's favorite examples have been vision and time. We can't sense the limits of seeing, though we can describe those constraints in great detail. It always seems now, though we can describe our being temporally bound here and now in a there and then. In both cases, neither parcel of knowledge changes our feelings of totally sufficient experience at all. In this sense, all we know to perceive, is all there is.

Recursive System(s):

Recursive System(s) (RS) are hypothesized to integrate (closed) and process (open) information, generating consciousness; closed within the informatic horizons of different asymptotic complexes processing information medially and open as those different asymptotic complexes process information laterally.

Due to the open-closed properties of a RS, information that a RS processes, including that which is integrated into an asymptotic complex, mediates, in some manner, the efficacy of any given heuristic in its problem-ecology, outside of conscious awareness and the integrated information available to persistent global sufficiency, or consciousness.

The Breakdown:

Recursive Systems seem to perform two functions. The open RS processes information affect behaviorial outcomes mechanistically but may or may not rely on the closed RS to affect that open processing of information or affecting behaviors. The open RS processes information laterally while the closed RS arises from that processing medially, in which case, we can't know if the experience of processing information medially through the closed RS is accomplishing anything we think it is while processing information laterally through the open RS.



Obviously, this is a work in progress and I invite criticisms and corroboration. And I'm nowhere near done with a page of unfinished/unworked terms and growing.

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Philosophy & Science / Deciding Research
« on: November 29, 2013, 02:47:29 pm »
This was necessitated.

No holds-barred, locked-cage, ladders and chairs; how should we be voting with our research dollars as a human species, unconstrained by the shallow sociocultural politics of the world?

313
Atrocity Tales / Links to Fan Resources
« on: November 27, 2013, 11:56:05 am »
This has been updated to reflect all new links.

Quote from: Madness
Willem suggested this thread to consolidate fan resources on and off the forum. I've updated this post to include an extra-plethora of redundant links.

1. There is a sticky'd thread with a link to all Cu'jara Cinmoi's posts. At this point, I'm not personally going to take the time to transcribe Bakker's Zombies Three Seas posts. Everyone is welcome to pollute that thread with their favorites. That includes any aphorisms that anyone would like to share. Eventually that thread can earn the title curated like lockesnow suggested. [It actually became its own thread: Curated Sayings].

2. lockesnow was kind enough to consolidate the epigrams from all the books for us. In every book subforum [WLW, TJE, TTT,
TWP, TDTCB] there is a sticky'd thread. I'm working on consolidating TPB's aphorisms and the new ones Bakker's been doing over social media: [This has been done within Curated Sayings]. Truth Shines, I believe, and Wilshire also got the Wikiquote project off the hop and everyone is welcome to partake in those threads (again, sticky'd by subforum [WLW, TJE, TTT, TWP, TDTCB].

3. I'm not sure what qualifies as critical responses - I have a list of Interviews & Articles that I'd consolidated over the years. lockesnow still has a few - referenced in other threads - where Bakker has some quality commentary on people's responses and reviews. Anyone is welcome to add any links to anything qualifying as relating to Bakker but also not an Interview & Article, like reviews, responses, commentary.

4. Fan Resources:
There's The Prince of Nothing Wiki.
The aforementioned Wikiquote: The Second Apocalypse, R. Scott Bakker.
Three Pound Brain - Bakker's Blog.
Many, many threads on Westeros Literature forum [enumerated by book titles and roman numerals. They are a couple odd threads out - as our speculation was and is insatiable - but you can ask around there for those or search the history for Bakker and other keywords.

5. Everyone is welcome to and encouraged to participate in The Almanac [Nearing the end of TDTCB!]. All I can ask, at this point, is that people participate in the forum at large as they can - we all have unique lives.

Also, please add anything that would qualify as a resource that I've missed.

EDIT:

Zombie Three-Seas - The Resurrected Read-Only version of Three-Seas forum, a forum for the Second Apocalypse which was finally overwhelmed by Spam Sranc after the release of TJE.

Summary of Where We Left Off: The Unholy Consult

The Second Apocalypse's First Forum Apocalypse - The first rendition of the Second Apocalypse Forum [though all posts are/will be moved from the Forumer Second Apocalypse].

Exclusive Second Apocalypse The Unholy Consult Ch. 1 Excerpt.

Wilshire's Ch. 3 Excerpt Adventure.

314
The Darkness That Comes Before / Links to Fan Resources
« on: November 27, 2013, 11:55:39 am »
This has been updated to reflect all new links.

Quote from: Madness
Willem suggested this thread to consolidate fan resources on and off the forum. I've updated this post to include an extra-plethora of redundant links.

1. There is a sticky'd thread with a link to all Cu'jara Cinmoi's posts. At this point, I'm not personally going to take the time to transcribe Bakker's Zombies Three Seas posts. Everyone is welcome to pollute that thread with their favorites. That includes any aphorisms that anyone would like to share. Eventually that thread can earn the title curated like lockesnow suggested. [It actually became its own thread: Curated Sayings].

2. lockesnow was kind enough to consolidate the epigrams from all the books for us. In every book subforum [WLW, TJE, TTT,
TWP, TDTCB] there is a sticky'd thread. I'm working on consolidating TPB's aphorisms and the new ones Bakker's been doing over social media: [This has been done within Curated Sayings]. Truth Shines, I believe, and Wilshire also got the Wikiquote project off the hop and everyone is welcome to partake in those threads (again, sticky'd by subforum [WLW, TJE, TTT, TWP, TDTCB].

3. I'm not sure what qualifies as critical responses - I have a list of Interviews & Articles that I'd consolidated over the years. lockesnow still has a few - referenced in other threads - where Bakker has some quality commentary on people's responses and reviews. Anyone is welcome to add any links to anything qualifying as relating to Bakker but also not an Interview & Article, like reviews, responses, commentary.

4. Fan Resources:
There's The Prince of Nothing Wiki.
The aforementioned Wikiquote: The Second Apocalypse, R. Scott Bakker.
Three Pound Brain - Bakker's Blog.
Many, many threads on Westeros Literature forum [enumerated by book titles and roman numerals. They are a couple odd threads out - as our speculation was and is insatiable - but you can ask around there for those or search the history for Bakker and other keywords.

5. Everyone is welcome to and encouraged to participate in The Almanac [Nearing the end of TDTCB!]. All I can ask, at this point, is that people participate in the forum at large as they can - we all have unique lives.

Also, please add anything that would qualify as a resource that I've missed.

EDIT:

Zombie Three-Seas - The Resurrected Read-Only version of Three-Seas forum, a forum for the Second Apocalypse which was finally overwhelmed by Spam Sranc after the release of TJE.

Summary of Where We Left Off: The Unholy Consult

The Second Apocalypse's First Forum Apocalypse - The first rendition of the Second Apocalypse Forum [though all posts are/will be moved from the Forumer Second Apocalypse].

Exclusive Second Apocalypse The Unholy Consult Ch. 1 Excerpt.

Wilshire's Ch. 3 Excerpt Adventure.

315
The Warrior-Prophet / Links to Fan Resources
« on: November 27, 2013, 11:55:15 am »
This has been updated to reflect all new links.

Quote from: Madness
Willem suggested this thread to consolidate fan resources on and off the forum. I've updated this post to include an extra-plethora of redundant links.

1. There is a sticky'd thread with a link to all Cu'jara Cinmoi's posts. At this point, I'm not personally going to take the time to transcribe Bakker's Zombies Three Seas posts. Everyone is welcome to pollute that thread with their favorites. That includes any aphorisms that anyone would like to share. Eventually that thread can earn the title curated like lockesnow suggested. [It actually became its own thread: Curated Sayings].

2. lockesnow was kind enough to consolidate the epigrams from all the books for us. In every book subforum [WLW, TJE, TTT,
TWP, TDTCB] there is a sticky'd thread. I'm working on consolidating TPB's aphorisms and the new ones Bakker's been doing over social media: [This has been done within Curated Sayings]. Truth Shines, I believe, and Wilshire also got the Wikiquote project off the hop and everyone is welcome to partake in those threads (again, sticky'd by subforum [WLW, TJE, TTT, TWP, TDTCB].

3. I'm not sure what qualifies as critical responses - I have a list of Interviews & Articles that I'd consolidated over the years. lockesnow still has a few - referenced in other threads - where Bakker has some quality commentary on people's responses and reviews. Anyone is welcome to add any links to anything qualifying as relating to Bakker but also not an Interview & Article, like reviews, responses, commentary.

4. Fan Resources:
There's The Prince of Nothing Wiki.
The aforementioned Wikiquote: The Second Apocalypse, R. Scott Bakker.
Three Pound Brain - Bakker's Blog.
Many, many threads on Westeros Literature forum [enumerated by book titles and roman numerals. They are a couple odd threads out - as our speculation was and is insatiable - but you can ask around there for those or search the history for Bakker and other keywords.

5. Everyone is welcome to and encouraged to participate in The Almanac [Nearing the end of TDTCB!]. All I can ask, at this point, is that people participate in the forum at large as they can - we all have unique lives.

Also, please add anything that would qualify as a resource that I've missed.

EDIT:

Zombie Three-Seas - The Resurrected Read-Only version of Three-Seas forum, a forum for the Second Apocalypse which was finally overwhelmed by Spam Sranc after the release of TJE.

Summary of Where We Left Off: The Unholy Consult

The Second Apocalypse's First Forum Apocalypse - The first rendition of the Second Apocalypse Forum [though all posts are/will be moved from the Forumer Second Apocalypse].

Exclusive Second Apocalypse The Unholy Consult Ch. 1 Excerpt.

Wilshire's Ch. 3 Excerpt Adventure.

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