One such issue is that, as far as I can tell, the first series hardly seems to mention that sorcery
allows flying. I resolved internally that Kelhus himself discovered teleportation, but the schools
in the Great Ordeal seem to step into thin air naturally - surely this would have changed some things
in the first series? I'm ready to be corrected on this one, but the point remains that the uncertainty
is inherent.
While I can't disagree with most of what you said, indeed, to me Bakker's writing has a certain cinematic quality, for lack of a better term, where the world-building really places you within a scene and that really captures me.
Great first post and welcome. I will nit-pick a bit about:One such issue is that, as far as I can tell, the first series hardly seems to mention that sorcery
allows flying. I resolved internally that Kelhus himself discovered teleportation, but the schools
in the Great Ordeal seem to step into thin air naturally - surely this would have changed some things
in the first series? I'm ready to be corrected on this one, but the point remains that the uncertainty
is inherent.
Well, indeed, sorcery is something of a "great unknown" for the most part, where we come to expect that we don't really know what to expect. However, in PoN we see sorcerers "step into air" fairly often, in Akka's Dreams, "The Magi of Kyraneas and Shigek stepped into the sky and closed with the beasts." (Chapter 1, WP), "To the rear of the formations, out of bowshot, several solitary figures stepped into air, their crimson gowns flapping, their eyes and mouths shining bright." (Chapter 15, TTT), "Cursing the fool, the Grandmaster of the Scarlet Spires stepped into the smoke-rent sky." (Chapter 16, TTT), "Even now the last of the Cishaurim—he could see only five—floated over the charred and derelict landscape, the asps about their necks hooked downward, searching for survivors." (Chapter 16, TTT). Being able to walk on air is definitely precedented by multiple accounts of it in TTT though, just to be pedantic.
...Akka explains at some point it's not flying but walking an echo of the ground. Whatever that means.
While I can't disagree with most of what you said, indeed, to me Bakker's writing has a certain cinematic quality, for lack of a better term, where the world-building really places you within a scene and that really captures me.
Great first post and welcome. I will nit-pick a bit about:One such issue is that, as far as I can tell, the first series hardly seems to mention that sorcery
allows flying. I resolved internally that Kelhus himself discovered teleportation, but the schools
in the Great Ordeal seem to step into thin air naturally - surely this would have changed some things
in the first series? I'm ready to be corrected on this one, but the point remains that the uncertainty
is inherent.
Well, indeed, sorcery is something of a "great unknown" for the most part, where we come to expect that we don't really know what to expect. However, in PoN we see sorcerers "step into air" fairly often, in Akka's Dreams, "The Magi of Kyraneas and Shigek stepped into the sky and closed with the beasts." (Chapter 1, WP), "To the rear of the formations, out of bowshot, several solitary figures stepped into air, their crimson gowns flapping, their eyes and mouths shining bright." (Chapter 15, TTT), "Cursing the fool, the Grandmaster of the Scarlet Spires stepped into the smoke-rent sky." (Chapter 16, TTT), "Even now the last of the Cishaurim—he could see only five—floated over the charred and derelict landscape, the asps about their necks hooked downward, searching for survivors." (Chapter 16, TTT). Being able to walk on air is definitely precedented by multiple accounts of it in TTT though, just to be pedantic.
Welcome, TheBlackElf! Also, the scene in TDTCB at Kyudea, the Scarlet Spires floating over the battlefield.... The first time I read that it really creeped me out for some reason. Great post!
Thank you all for the warm welcome.
I stand corrected, I now remember as well the flying Chishaurim, yes.
As a side thing, why do you think these books don't have the popularity they deserve? Is it because of the more dense writing style? Are they not promoted enough? Certainly the quality is there...
Thank you all for the warm welcome.
I stand corrected, I now remember as well the flying Chishaurim, yes.
As a side thing, why do you think these books don't have the popularity they deserve? Is it because of the more dense writing style? Are they not promoted enough? Certainly the quality is there...
Extreme Feminism+RSB interacting with said extreme feminists.....lol. That's my theory.
Lack of promotion or even simple due diligence on the part of his publishers is certainly a factor.
Thank you all for the warm welcome.IMO, several factors.
I stand corrected, I now remember as well the flying Chishaurim, yes.
As a side thing, why do you think these books don't have the popularity they deserve? Is it because of the more dense writing style? Are they not promoted enough? Certainly the quality is there...
Thank you all for the warm welcome.
I stand corrected, I now remember as well the flying Chishaurim, yes.
As a side thing, why do you think these books don't have the popularity they deserve? Is it because of the more dense writing style? Are they not promoted enough? Certainly the quality is there...
Extreme Feminism+RSB interacting with said extreme feminists.....lol. That's my theory.
I think it goes well beyond that though. Dense style, steep learning curve, confrontational style of the story itself, do lend itself to the series being a bit of a tough sell for a good number of people.
I think Bakker has said it before, that it isn't the story we really want, but one that we need. You are going to have a hard time getting some people to take that pill, no matter what.
Thank you all for the warm welcome.Ever men are deceived....
I stand corrected, I now remember as well the flying Chishaurim, yes.
As a side thing, why do you think these books don't have the popularity they deserve? Is it because of the more dense writing style? Are they not promoted enough? Certainly the quality is there...