I wonder if the HBO Go leak will happen again.
Yeah - leakers, smdh ;).
Lol, I inserted sarcasm punctuation as you were responding ;).
But yes, I too need a refresh. I feel like the last episode is the one with the great intro music when Cersei blows the fuck out of the Faith-Militant.
Lol, no doubt.
I read that the other day. Very good read.
Watched the show last night and not a whole lot went on, per usual of most first shows of any season. One development I liked is Samwell snatched the keys to the part of the library restricted to the Measters, where info on the white-walkers is. Also, Danerys landing at an abandoned Dragonstone, as a base of operations and her ancestral home, thought it was great.
Though the opening scene was badass, I say that. Arya is on a mission and its the storyline I think I'm wanting the most of.
As I said in last season's thread, I think, I feel like once they moved beyond the source text, the dialogue took a real nose-dive in quality.
Though the opening scene was badass, I say that. Arya is on a mission and its the storyline I think I'm wanting the most of.
Yeah, I mean the episode had a point, but man, between the opening and last 5 minutes, everything between was pretty forgettable. At least we sort of find out what the Hound is going to be doing...
But if my wife hadn't told me who Ed Sheran was, that scene would have been more bizarre a pointless than it already was.
Ok....who is Ed Sheran, and what did he have to do with that scene? You've lost me H! :)
Ok....who is Ed Sheran, and what did he have to do with that scene? You've lost me H! :)
Ed Sheeran was the blonde bloke singing the song while Arya was riding up to their mini camp. He sings songs for a living in real life.
If I were to just be Thinking Out Loud, I would say he is in love with the Shape Of You.
I fully expect that "nice group of young men" Arya are with actually turn out to be a bunch of raping bastards or else Arya just kills them for being Lannisters - I really doubt that the scene is going to not develop further.
Just my 0.2c
I actually thought it was a very poor premier, to be honest. Especially, given that the season only has seven episodes. I hope e2 makes up for that in a big way.
Have you seen the theories it's not even Arya, it's Jaqen as Arya.
I actually thought it was a very poor premier, to be honest. Especially, given that the season only has seven episodes. I hope e2 makes up for that in a big way.
Yeah, can't help but agree. Maybe I've just become an edgelord in the time off, but the acting really seemed poor.Have you seen the theories it's not even Arya, it's Jaqen as Arya.
That seems even more dumb than the usual internet stupidity.
I actually thought it was a very poor premier, to be honest. Especially, given that the season only has seven episodes. I hope e2 makes up for that in a big way.
Yeah, can't help but agree. Maybe I've just become an edgelord in the time off, but the acting really seemed poor.
GJ was saying much the same to me yesterday. Poor writing leads, in part I'm sure, to poor acting.
Lol... if Trailer Park Boys has taught me anything, you most definitely could make a Shitcake.
It's fucking terrible. I don't actually watch TV (apart from real life shit, occasional sporting events and MMA/boxing) so this is the first time i've watched a show since LOST finished. Every scene dragged on and on. They have literally no material it seems like, Martin probably told them the waypoints, and that's all they have.
You didn't lose anything interesting. And now surely we have to endure the Jon meets Dany bullshit...
You didn't lose anything interesting. And now surely we have to endure the Jon meets Dany bullshit...
I heard that Euron may or may not actually have magical transportation? Admittedly haven't seen last night's episode yet. Will probably watch it today cause I'm going to try for another solid TUC reading session.
EDIT: You know, I actually think had Martin been still writing ahead of the show, this would have included travel time and well-crafted monologues and these last two seasons might have been three or four.
Conclusion of chapter 3: Littlefinger is dûnyain. Alse else is rubbish. ;D
Yes, I love that thousandfold thought from Petyr.
But anyway the best chapter of the season for me, despite the multiple teletransportations - maybe they have metagnostic sorcerers, well, Kellhus can be in Westeros now.
Conclusion of chapter 3: Littlefinger is dûnyain. Alse else is rubbish. ;D
I actually thought that was great advice. Probably the sole piece of meaningful dialogue in the whole season so far...
It's weird. After seasons (and books) of meandering storytelling, the pacing is accelerating and converging. Strands of stories, like Jorah and Sam, do feel way too rushed. The weird thing is that the closer it moves to its finale, the more conventional it seems to become. Where once anything could happen, now less and less can. This is what I like about TUC, Bakker manages to amplify the ambiguity instead of things getting all onesided and predictable.
It's weird. After seasons (and books) of meandering storytelling, the pacing is accelerating and converging. Strands of stories, like Jorah and Sam, do feel way too rushed. The weird thing is that the closer it moves to its finale, the more conventional it seems to become. Where once anything could happen, now less and less can. This is what I like about TUC, Bakker manages to amplify the ambiguity instead of things getting all onesided and predictable.
Yeah, I agree, the show is getting more and more predictable. Or at least, it certainly seems so.
The acting was only kind of bad for most of episode 1 and parts of 2. 3 wasn't as bad, but there seems to me to still be too many throw-away lines and attempts to be witty...
It's weird. After seasons (and books) of meandering storytelling, the pacing is accelerating and converging. Strands of stories, like Jorah and Sam, do feel way too rushed. The weird thing is that the closer it moves to its finale, the more conventional it seems to become. Where once anything could happen, now less and less can. This is what I like about TUC, Bakker manages to amplify the ambiguity instead of things getting all onesided and predictable.
Yeah, I agree, the show is getting more and more predictable. Or at least, it certainly seems so.
The acting was only kind of bad for most of episode 1 and parts of 2. 3 wasn't as bad, but there seems to me to still be too many throw-away lines and attempts to be witty...
Emo Jon ;).It's weird. After seasons (and books) of meandering storytelling, the pacing is accelerating and converging. Strands of stories, like Jorah and Sam, do feel way too rushed. The weird thing is that the closer it moves to its finale, the more conventional it seems to become. Where once anything could happen, now less and less can. This is what I like about TUC, Bakker manages to amplify the ambiguity instead of things getting all onesided and predictable.
Yeah, I agree, the show is getting more and more predictable. Or at least, it certainly seems so.
The acting was only kind of bad for most of episode 1 and parts of 2. 3 wasn't as bad, but there seems to me to still be too many throw-away lines and attempts to be witty...
I won't be surprised if Martin doesn't have much in the way of layered surprises like Bakker had. The transgressive narrative Martin was building in '95 did push up against a lot of conventional story-telling (and inspired a hell of a lot of knock-on authors) but I don't think he ever intended to pull, say, an Abercrombie at the end of First Law.
Layered surprises are more suitable for prose, as images are not as ambiguous as language can be.
Martin always says that his goal is achieve some bitter-sweet ending like LOTR - but with more blood and death I suppose.
Martin always says that his goal is achieve some bitter-sweet ending like LOTR - but with more blood and death I suppose.
Unfortunate, I was kind of hoping the Night King just wins...
Caught up, finally. Disliked episode 2 but liked 3 well enough. Pretty excited to see some real action in the next one.
Caught up, finally. Disliked episode 2 but liked 3 well enough. Pretty excited to see some real action in the next one.
Indeed.
I'm really looking forward to the Dondarrion, Hound, Snow et al. expedition beyond the wall hinted at in one of the teasers.
Caught up, finally. Disliked episode 2 but liked 3 well enough. Pretty excited to see some real action in the next one.
Indeed.
I'm really looking forward to the Dondarrion, Hound, Snow et al. expedition beyond the wall hinted at in one of the teasers.
Episode 7 probably, haha. I don't know though...
I have my doubts (no, I didn't look up any spoilers though) that the next episode will see any real pick-up in action though. More pieces placed (instantaneously, of course), I'd think, Arya (getting to Winterfell), Hound (getting to the Wall), and Jamie (back to King's Landing).
Tbh, they already fucked it up long ago. Most people who just watch the TV series with no knowledge of the books already like it anyway. So, HBO can never lose the bulk of it's fan base, whatever they do.Caught up, finally. Disliked episode 2 but liked 3 well enough. Pretty excited to see some real action in the next one.
Indeed.
I'm really looking forward to the Dondarrion, Hound, Snow et al. expedition beyond the wall hinted at in one of the teasers.
Episode 7 probably, haha. I don't know though...
I have my doubts (no, I didn't look up any spoilers though) that the next episode will see any real pick-up in action though. More pieces placed (instantaneously, of course), I'd think, Arya (getting to Winterfell), Hound (getting to the Wall), and Jamie (back to King's Landing).
Well, by any kind of seemingly standard studio logic - since they aren't using all that extra money on every episode - "mid-season" episode and the second last or last episode should be fucking huge...
(Please, HBO, don't get complacent. Martin has been an amazing screenwriter since the 90s and while he gave you a boost, you need to not fuck this up... for the sake of unborn SFF adaptations everywhere!)
Is this the last season? I just dont see how it can be wrapped up this season.No, it is the penultimate season.
At least something finally happened.
More obvious set up though. Arya most probably will kill the Night King with that dagger.
Also, anyone know WTF Bran said to Littlefinger right after he handed him the dagger? It sounded like English but damned if my wife or I could make heads or tails of it...
"Chaos is a ladder..."
TV VFX sure has gone a long way, the Dragon lighting up the L-army. Still, for me the Battle of the Bastards was more powerful. Magic and superpowers, they are difficult ingredients to get right.
At least something finally happened.
More obvious set up though. Arya most probably will kill the Night King with that dagger.
Also, anyone know WTF Bran said to Littlefinger right after he handed him the dagger? It sounded like English but damned if my wife or I could make heads or tails of it...
"Chaos is a ladder..."
That was alright. I laughed at Olena talking about Widow's Wail.I feel reasonably certain that Jon and dany will not be meeting until after dany subdued the sothron kingdoms. The show bringing them together, and bringing dany together with all the other power players she met with was a time compression mechanism to allow them to advance multiple storylines at once (by having people together) rather than going the A-B-C-D The books will assuredly take. So the show launches the southern invasion together simultaneously with protracted negotiations with the north, Martin will almost assuredly take half a book to get dany to dragon stone and declare herself, half a book to negotiate with dorne, half a book to launch an invasion of casterly rock and lose high garden, half a book to lose all naval power, all without getting to the Lannister field of fire nor even opening cordial lines of communication between dany and the north.
Wish i could have read about Jon and Dany meeting instead of watching it on some HBO adaption but there you go.
I feel reasonably certain that Jon and dany will not be meeting until after dany subdued the sothron kingdoms. The show bringing them together, and bringing dany together with all the other power players she met with was a time compression mechanism to allow them to advance multiple storylines at once (by having people together) rather than going the A-B-C-D The books will assuredly take. So the show launches the southern invasion together simultaneously with protracted negotiations with the north, Martin will almost assuredly take half a book to get dany to dragon stone and declare herself, half a book to negotiate with dorne, half a book to launch an invasion of casterly rock and lose high garden, half a book to lose all naval power, all without getting to the Lannister field of fire nor even opening cordial lines of communication between dany and the north.
Fucking true and I am almost sure that George will never finish the books.
Fucking true and I am almost sure that George will never finish the books.
Yeah, that's my feeling too. The series really teaches you some valuable life lessons like don't expect too much, don't get emotionally invested in people not emotionally invested in you, don't figure something will be great just because it started so, have more patience than you know what to do with, and don't think you are entitled to anything. That applies to the narrative and the actual books themselves.
George has announced a new book of Targaryen history, I bet that it's going to be published earlier that Winds of Winter. Seems to me that this new book of Targaryens is going to be the core of the new HBO series and sure George wants to have something tangible to offer them.Link?
We have to asume that finishing ASOIAF is not his priority right now. And it pisses me off badly.
Fucking true and I am almost sure that George will never finish the books.
Yeah, that's my feeling too. The series really teaches you some valuable life lessons like don't expect too much, don't get emotionally invested in people not emotionally invested in you, don't figure something will be great just because it started so, have more patience than you know what to do with, and don't think you are entitled to anything. That applies to the narrative and the actual books themselves.
This is pretty much Life Lessons 101.
He posted this in his Not a Blog.Meereenese knot 2.0 is a tough one to crack
He said that we will have one or maybe two books in 2018, but knowing him that is wishful thinking at best. I am pretty sure (and I really want to be wrong) that we will have one book in 2018 but it will be the Targaryen shit and not WoW.
Fucking true and I am almost sure that George will never finish the books.
Yeah, that's my feeling too. The series really teaches you some valuable life lessons like don't expect too much, don't get emotionally invested in people not emotionally invested in you, don't figure something will be great just because it started so, have more patience than you know what to do with, and don't think you are entitled to anything. That applies to the narrative and the actual books themselves.
This is pretty much Life Lessons 101.
Fucking true and I am almost sure that George will never finish the books.
Yeah, that's my feeling too. The series really teaches you some valuable life lessons like don't expect too much, don't get emotionally invested in people not emotionally invested in you, don't figure something will be great just because it started so, have more patience than you know what to do with, and don't think you are entitled to anything. That applies to the narrative and the actual books themselves.
I share your feelings about Dany.
But nice episode anyway.
Just my 2 cent observation on this season so far: I understand they're trying to get all the pieces in place, hence everyone 'fast-traveling' everywhere in Westeros. The final season will be all about the war. I get it. But... the white walkers are STILL on the other side of the Wall. Still. On. The. Other. Side. Of. The. Wall. What, they don't have the fast-travel option? You only get it once you've been to a location already? Skyrim Forever!
(sigh)
It was leaked last night by a mistake of the spanish tv platform. Lol.Well, this time I am holding out until Sunday to see it in a better resolution. Even if Madness says that it's better than TUC.
I was able to see it during the scarce hours it was available.
And I can say it was a great episode, although predictable.
Nope. Found it subtitled and in 720p. No waiting for me.It was leaked last night by a mistake of the spanish tv platform. Lol.Well, this time I am holding out until Sunday to see it in a better resolution. Even if Madness says that it's better than TUC.
I was able to see it during the scarce hours it was available.
And I can say it was a great episode, although predictable.
All I can say is Pheidippides and boy a westerosi Raven is faster than both an African or European Swallow.
I was really hoping that the Night King just killed them all, stupid asses. If Gendry could run away, why wouldn't they go the same direction?
I was really hoping that the Night King just killed them all, stupid asses. If Gendry could run away, why wouldn't they go the same direction?
Really H? You couldn't see the TONS of plot Armour on them?
And instead of The Consult guys the Night King doesn't rape any ass.
I truly prefer that the Night King wins than the lame alternative of dumb Jon/Aegon marrying Dany and ruling Westeros happily ever after.
My worst fear is Martin will write the same shit in the books. I bet for that in the main lines, I think that only the details will be different.
My worst fear is Martin will write the same shit in the books. I bet for that in the main lines, I think that only the details will be different.God, please not that. It will be a massive waste of time if that happened.I am holding hope that the books will continue being decent, show doesn't have anything to do with the books anymore for me. Just the names ( And even that is doubtful after last episode. ) are similar.
I hope that he at least will finish WoW (maybe in 2019), but with DoS I haven't the same hope.
It seems (for what he posts in his Not-a-blog) the he's now more devoted to his Targaryen History Book than to WoW. And that is very likely because if HBO is going to make a spin-off Martin will want to at least give them some material to work from.
Mediocre episode. The final scene was amazing. The dialogue wasn't as bad as it can get, but nothing special otherwise.
http://www.gamesradar.com/did-you-spot-this-night-kingbran-easter-egg-in-the-game-of-thrones-season-7-finale/
Don't know how many of you have seen this, but thought it pretty cool. Maybe, the "bitter-sweet" ending GRRM always talks about is that Job Snow will have to kill Bran to save Westeros from the long-night?
I want them all dead. Night king FTW. LolSame. Alas, that won't happen, books or show.
Don't we already know that the Night King is some old Stark that was a disgraced Lord Commander?
While I guessed in the past that Bran would Warg a dragon, I guess the answer now is that he is going to Warg an undead dragon out from under the Night King.
Don't we already know that the Night King is some old Stark that was a disgraced Lord Commander?
That's from the books, though, no?
Yeah, I'm rooting for the White Walkers - I have a soft spot for the undead.
That's why I love this forum.Yeah, I'm rooting for the White Walkers - I have a soft spot for the undead.
Lol. Me too.
"And I have a tender spot in my heart for white walkers and wights and cursed things"
I hate the show post season 4 or at least don't like it as much. It killed all my favourite characters ( Many of which are still alive in the books. ) and destroyed the character development of others that now the only thing they share with their book counterparts is their names. It now focuses on my lesser liked characters and it also became ultra predictable. The White Walkers winning would be a surprise. And I am a tragedy whore.BTW, my opinions on the books are pretty different. Now, if I read successfully between the lines and you are hinting about my support for the Consult, that's also a completely different and complex story. It's not just " Oh, I am so edgy I just want the bad guys to win!!!" . Ok, maybe there is some of that but there is also some completely legitimate reasons ( In my opinions. ) for me to root for them.Quote from: Woden"And I have a tender spot in my heart for white walkers and wights and cursed things"
I'm very curious, why is it that you and others (Redeagl, I'm looking at you) have such a want and fascination with the bad guys winning? And, the white-walkers are the bad guys, a board of undead, killing a planet is certainly not the good guys. I'm just curious is all.
Quote from: Woden"And I have a tender spot in my heart for white walkers and wights and cursed things"
I'm very curious, why is it that you and others (Redeagl, I'm looking at you) have such a want and fascination with the bad guys winning? And, the white-walkers are the bad guys, a board of undead, killing a planet is certainly not the good guys. I'm just curious is all.
Well, the whole Night King thing is mostly a joke, but one taken from the roots of a real sentiment. That pretty much all the characters have gotten to the level of being somewhat annoying (on the show). Honestly, the Night King is refreshing in his steadfastness and lack of nonsense and bullshit. You know the Night King isn't going to make some outlandish and dumb choice, he is just going to kill you, because he is going to kill every one.
Sure, the "default" is to view the Starks as a force of "good" but that ends up a little problematic, as Anna Smith Spark explains it (https://michael-everest.com/2017/07/20/guest-post-anna-smith-spark-on-heroes-heroism/). It's interesting, in the face of a lack of appealing options, seems I am not alone in defaulting to nihilism.
Thanks for that link, H. I'd seen it on facebook but hadn't gotten around to reading it... or so many, many other things in my life right now.
I've always simply seen it as if we don't fight for some kind of philosophic ideal of humanity's betterment simply because we find reasons not to try, then we can't say for certain that doing better isn't possible.
Well, if I understand what you are saying, I think that "rooting" for the Night King isn't about abandoning the ideal of ideals of humanity, it's kind of just the opposite. We want the humans to be better, but simply, the characters in the show just aren't. And as the seasons have gone on, they have become less dimensional. We just want it to end.
Thing is, if it were real life, of course we wouldn't even jokingly pull for the Night King. But it's not real life. We want a meaningful ending, where the stupidity of the characters is rewarded with a cold and deserved death. What we are going to get is probably some pastiche, cliche, happy ending though. We can hope though for some sort of middle ground, but I don't know what that would be.
I am always a defender of lost causes and sadly the Night King is not going to win. And we will have to suffer some dumb Starkgaryen moralfag in the Iron Throne.
Well, if I understand what you are saying, I think that "rooting" for the Night King isn't about abandoning the ideal of ideals of humanity, it's kind of just the opposite. We want the humans to be better, but simply, the characters in the show just aren't. And as the seasons have gone on, they have become less dimensional. We just want it to end.
Obviously, I'm just taking it too far ;). But I think you got it. That's the sentiment in the last sentence. I've met so many people who think we should just end.
Thing is, if it were real life, of course we wouldn't even jokingly pull for the Night King. But it's not real life. We want a meaningful ending, where the stupidity of the characters is rewarded with a cold and deserved death. What we are going to get is probably some pastiche, cliche, happy ending though. We can hope though for some sort of middle ground, but I don't know what that would be.
Well, that's the thing I've always been fixated on in my own writing - when I ever do so. All writing is anachronistic and thus contemporary of when read (not necessarily of when written, though that certainly as well), much as all writers might wish to be immortalized.
Mark my words, we will miss this show when it's over. It's far from perfect but good cinematic epic fantasy is incredibly hard to pull off and I doubt we'll see something on this level again for a long time.
Well, the whole Night King thing is mostly a joke, but one taken from the roots of a real sentiment. That pretty much all the characters have gotten to the level of being somewhat annoying (on the show). Honestly, the Night King is refreshing in his steadfastness and lack of nonsense and bullshit. You know the Night King isn't going to make some outlandish and dumb choice, he is just going to kill you, because he is going to kill every one.
Sure, the "default" is to view the Starks as a force of "good" but that ends up a little problematic, as Anna Smith Spark explains it (https://michael-everest.com/2017/07/20/guest-post-anna-smith-spark-on-heroes-heroism/). It's interesting, in the face of a lack of appealing options, seems I am not alone in defaulting to nihilism.
Just read this. Anyone read her novel The court of broken knives?
I don't know, season 7 kind of jumped the shark for me. I realize that is personal bias, but there being all kinds of travel-time issues in previous seasons to suddenly everyone just suddenly arrives where ever they "need" to be near instantly really took me out of the show. I understand the need for it to serve the narrative, but it was just extremely jarring to me.
I do really like that things are actually happening though, it bothers me when the narrative just seems to spin in place.
Well, you're right, but they're ending the show and no longer have the luxury of no-end-in-sight approach and that means people have to scurry along so they can end it. I don't think this would have happened if the show wasn't ending soon.
Just read this. Anyone read her novel The court of broken knives?
I know MSJ did and really liked it. I personally couldn't find my way into the prose.
Just read this. Anyone read her novel The court of broken knives?
I know MSJ did and really liked it. I personally couldn't find my way into the prose.
Answers question from September:
I found the prose really strange but very enjoyable, however the story itself was fairly average IMO. For that reason I'd say the book(s) aren't worth reading if you don't like the prose. Worth checking out - read the first handful of pages and you'll know if you like it or not.
The Night's King is the personification of death. Humans cannot live forever, ergo The Night's King Cannot Be Killed.
The Last Hero was a diplomat, not a warrior. He negotiated a truce.
The terms of the pact are up for renewal and the Night's King will withdraw when satisfactory terms on a new compromise are met. [finite mortal life being, metaphorically, the compromise between immortality and death].
Violence is destructive. People who fight amongst people [over the throne] are doomed [and the iron throne, metaphor for self destruction as it is, why do you think its made of swords that literally cut and draw blood from the people who sit on it? along with it]
People who reject individual ambition and prioritize the team sport of survival [i.e. Jon kneeling for the greater good] will be spared and carry humanity on. Those who prefer to win the Game Of Thrones (i.e. Cersei) will be utterly annihilated.
Watching these last 2 episodes was sad. They are actually trying this time and I enjoyed those 2 episodes but it's beyond redemption at this point. The damage have already been done and isn't fixable. And on top of that all, I can't blame the showrunners for anything, they didn't know GRRM will retire after A Dance With Dragons, when they signed on this.
Lol, what the fuck? That ending was so troll. Fucking waste of 80 hours.
It looked great i though. The story has been a shambles since i started watching the series cause it went past the books.
It looked great i though. The story has been a shambles since i started watching the series cause it went past the books.
I mean, I was digging the premise and most of the visuals. The "problem" is that none of it really make anything like sense meanwhile, which definitely takes me right out of any sort of immersion. I get the need to visually show some things, but there had to be a better way that would make more sense.
Not to mention, not have the Night King just be a joke...and the rest of the White Walks be nothing at all.
The best bit is if they try and rally the southern lands they will be what? What dead army? What threat? Winter is coming? Not even snowed here yet.
I'll put it very simply. I just got through watching episode 3 with a nice migraine. >:(
Still, it was well made, but I felt some of it was cheap and I HATE the "if the leader dies, then they all do/disperse/give up", etc. It is annoying. I expected the NK to last until the end. Now, it's just Cersei. Meh.
But, we all know this is because there is no book material to go on (in regards to plot armour and such). D&D are clearly not GRRM. It's pretty simple, the shows have sucked since they passed the point in which there is no more book material. Haven't even bothered watching this season. Haven't even DVR'd it, just not worth it to me.
Yea, like the Night King Winning. :D
And litreally every fan fiction ending I have read is better than the one we got. Lmao.
The show runners are supposedly professionals and this their only job. They said that they chose Arya to kill the NK because no one would see that coming. Like, I can't even...LUL
The show runners are supposedly professionals and this their only job. They said that they chose Arya to kill the NK because no one would see that coming. Like, I can't even...Well, I think it is pretty likely that one could look around and find a nearly endless number of people who just aren't very good at their jobs...
...but what we got was a McDonald's hamburger that they took the wrapper off and stuck some literal bells and whistles inside of.
Great analogies, H. I'm hoping that the supposed "true" leaks turn out to be false. Otherwise, I'll burst into flames.
Great analogies, H. I'm hoping that the supposed "true" leaks turn out to be false. Otherwise, I'll burst into flames.
Well, I guess I've been fortunate enough to have not seen any "leaks" but I have been at the point of not being able to care much less for the last two seasons or so, which means whatever it will be doesn't really make much difference to me personally.
I liked Arya taking him out - but I would've had her be Bran and at the final moment of the Dark Lord about to kill him, his face changes to Arya and she takes him out that way. I think that would've been bad-ass ... like no one knows where she is at times and people are asking and looking for her and then the face thing, love that assassin-like "skill". I thought a season or so ago, that's how Cercei will be taken out - Cercei wins the war for the throne, but it's not really Cercei, it's Arya.
Jon hugs everyone good bye then just nods to ghost, that's the coldest shit on the show full stop.
man the night after the long night was longer than the long night and far more boring.
Also Dany turning up with 80 folk outside kingslanding isn't that intimidating.
I think the level of incompetence, or else the genius of that product placement, is egregious on a good many people's parts. Especially the actors and actresses... really didn't notice?
EDIT: I haven't watched yet and, as I said, I'll probably binge it when it's done but they've really pissed on GRRM's work as far as I can tell - again the actors and actresses: you *really* didn't notice the dive in your scripts?
actually it's a totally generic way to kill someone in media.
loads of examples
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG9WVZ7zmog&t=2m21s