The Second Apocalypse
Miscellaneous Chatter => The Forum of Interesting Things => Topic started by: Royce on March 07, 2014, 07:41:52 pm
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So, is it drunk teenagers with nail clippers, aliens from outer space or is it the spirit of Gaia shining through from within?
Seriously. What is going on here? That people did it might be most plausible, but anecdotes suggest that they pop up in a matter of hours, and the details are astonishingly accurate. I do think that some of them are made by folks, but everyone?
So, what do you guys think. It might be that this "mystery" is solved already, but I just thought about this phenomenon, and it is way more fun talking about it here instead of googling myself towards the right conclusion ;)
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Do you have examples of cases that make you think it's more than pranks?
I have to admit a cursory interest in this "UFO-ology" stuff, though when I had a chance to read Jacque Vallees Passport to Magonia I balked at the repetition of cases. I understood why he did it, as he is presenting a thesis that makes him controversial even in UFO circles:
That UFOs are not extraterrestrial aliens but in fact bear striking resemblance to fairy encounters of older times.
He's also posited that the phenomenon represents some kind of teaching program to get humans to think a certain way.
I wouldn't go too far down the rabbit hole, but for the sake of fun speculation I do enjoy Vallees a great deal.
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Do you have examples of cases that make you think it's more than pranks?
I have not. I am not even sure I trust all these pictures filling up the internet containing all these wonderful works of art.
If they are real, then those "pranksters" who made them must be nothing short of genius. If they are all made of folks, then there are many people lying too. There is just no way that you could make that stuff over night when it is dark. Stumbling around with a flashlight and a nail clipper. To me that sounds just as likely as an alien doing it :P.
So those people who say that these pieces just pop up in a matter of hours must be lying right?
I also noticed that there is a commercial aspect regarding this too. Thousands of people travel to see it, shops are set up where they sell t-shirts, stickers and whatnot. So it does stink of something, I am just not sure how to label the stink yet. I do not think I care to investigate that much either :)
I just brought this up to see if there were an 100% actual explanation for these "phenomenon"
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I also noticed that there is a commercial aspect regarding this too.
I have other thoughts but this is important. The whole phenomenon can be collapsed in that someone makes a profit by the existence of crop circles and thus have a vested interest into their production.
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I have other thoughts but this is important. The whole phenomenon can be collapsed in that someone makes a profit by the existence of crop circles and thus have a vested interest into their production.
But people have a vested financial interest in just about anything. Even the people who dislike the ubiquity of financial interest have books to sell us on the matter. ;D
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But people have a vested financial interest in just about anything.
Yes, but the question here is: Does an alien race from another galaxy have vested financial interest in making crop circles? :)
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Yes, but the question here is: Does an alien race from another galaxy have vested financial interest in making crop circles? :)
Probably not, but there could be some crop circles faked by people who want money and the slim chance that some are inexplicable.
So the question, IMO at least, shouldn't be "Are these the work of aliens?"
First we need to see if there's data on why crop circles couldn't just be formed by humans in the dead of the night.
I just wouldn't dismiss the possibility out of hand - which isn't to say that was necessarily where Madness was going. I don't want to put words in his mouth. :-[
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I am kidding big time about those aliens Sci :)
First we need to see if there's data on why crop circles couldn't just be formed by humans in the dead of the night.
Yes, this would be interesting do find out. I am not saying it is impossible, only that it is a major achievement(If they did it in the dead of night that is).
I might also add that it would be disappointing if Gaia(or aliens) made these "bring me to your dealer" type of beings that are sometimes seen in these phenomena ;D
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Do you have examples of cases that make you think it's more than pranks?
I have not. I am not even sure I trust all these pictures filling up the internet containing all these wonderful works of art.
If they are real, then those "pranksters" who made them must be nothing short of genius. If they are all made of folks, then there are many people lying too. There is just no way that you could make that stuff over night when it is dark. Stumbling around with a flashlight and a nail clipper. To me that sounds just as likely as an alien doing it :P.
Well, it's time to run an experiment then and see if you can do it yourself!? Though I'm not sure the nail clippers are actually needed.
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Well, it's time to run an experiment then and see if you can do it yourself!? Though I'm not sure the nail clippers are actually needed.
Lol. I would definitely use the nail clipper, just to get the finishing touches perfect! :P
I seriously have no clue what they do to make that shit.
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Well, it's time to run an experiment then and see if you can do it yourself!? Though I'm not sure the nail clippers are actually needed.
Lol. I would definitely use the nail clipper, just to get the finishing touches perfect! :P
I seriously have no clue what they do to make that shit.
Have you examined one in person?
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Have you examined one in person?
No I have not. I would have to travel far to see one, and that would never happen, unless it actually was aliens who produced them :)
Have you seen one? A guy I know said that they could be made by a monstertruck driving around on a field in a circle. Is that a likely explanation? (joke)
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But people have a vested financial interest in just about anything.
Yes, but the question here is: Does an alien race from another galaxy have vested financial interest in making crop circles? :)
Lol - also appropriate: beings that have a vested interest in communicating to us through these symbols.
I think, like everything else that comes up on the fringe like this... it needs more study. The little factoids are all cool (proportionate maths, complex sounds in shape, magnetic anomalies) and many times the art is impressive but there needs to be some real research done or exposed as being done (if it has and has been buried).
Anyhow, still can't waste an hour on this one right now :(. But I wanted to initially make sure there was one voice of dissent before taking this thread out of the galaxy.
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I recall seeing a doco debunking crop circles. Had a lot of hard data and these english guys who admitted they had been doing it for decades, complete with photographic proof and reconstructions.
Check the wikipedia page, pretty sure you can find a link to it there and other information that may interest you.
My opinion: BS.
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Say that it was debunked then. I still have problems with the intentions to those people involved.
Why on earth would you not take credit for making something so beautiful? Why hide and pretend that it is aliens or whatever? They would be considered genuine artists for making these pieces, but instead they do it in secret, and spread rumours that there is aliens involved.
Or it might be like tagging. They would be arrested for destroying private property, so they hide to escape jail.
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My biggest issue with this kind of thing is that some species travels hundreds of thousands of light-years, which would be enormously taxing in time and resources, just to fly around scaring superstitious farmers and to push over some corn? Seems unlikely.
Then again, the longer one lives, the quicker time seems to flow. When I was a kid a 5 minute time-out was forever, and 10 years seemed like an eternity. Now, the past 8 years seemed to fly by, and the last 6 months seemed to have gone by without my notice. Perhaps this perception of time dilation multiplies with age, so some super long lived species of ETs might not mind spending 10,000 slowly manipulating a population of sentient beings to some unfathomable end.
Possible, but still unlikely. But, to keep with the skeptical atmosphere, nearly 40,000 generations of evolution and there were no discernible speciation events in human ancestral history, but the past several thousand years (only a few thousand generations) we went from using stone tools to space flight. Aliens, God, or just pure evolutionary chance?
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I do not think that we can "understand" alien behavior. It is alien to us. We are not supposed to understand it using human concepts and terminology. Alien could be anything, even far outside of our imagination. If we start to describe it in a human way, it is not alien, it is vaguely human.
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Sorry, but that is a really lame cop-out. One might have once said we cannot explain natural phenomenon because its from God and we cannot fathom our creator.
We've only got our own brains to think with so thats the frame we use to understand. There are thousands of "alien" species on this planet and people work to understand them every day with varying degrees of success. No reason we can't understand any species, ET or not, through study and observation. Sure, perhaps initial guesses on what drives so-called ET motives might be out of scope, but you cannot categorically dismiss every argument based on lack of experience.
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Oh, of course if it is a natural phenomenon we can figure it out. I am not dismissing anything at all ;)
All I am saying is that there is a possibility that something can be to alien for our brains to percieive/understand.
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Say that it was debunked then. I still have problems with the intentions to those people involved.
Why on earth would you not take credit for making something so beautiful? Why hide and pretend that it is aliens or whatever? They would be considered genuine artists for making these pieces, but instead they do it in secret, and spread rumours that there is aliens involved.
Or it might be like tagging. They would be arrested for destroying private property, so they hide to escape jail.
I think it depends on the currency you're looking for. Some people like the perpetuation of mysteries.
I think so long as people approach the UFO phenomenon as a hobby it's a perfectly good reality tunnel to wander through. But I do worry about people who become excessively paranoid [or obsessive] about the whole thing. [Didn't that one guy at Temple Uni. make hypnotic suggestions to women about having alien hybrids in their bodies?]
On the subject of alien mentality, I'm with Wilshire. I feel like so long as a common means of communication opened up we'd be able to categorize their goals. It's just hard for me to fathom how any mind wouldn't map to some kind of agent-with-goals structure.
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Maybe there is an entirely separate evolutionary line that doesn't focus on survival of your own species.... Not sure how that would work, but its possible I suppose.
btw I don't think aliens are on or anywhere near our pale blue dot, but I don't condemn those who do. I do however despise the idea that this planet is the only one in the entire universe that has life/intelligent life (whether or not we ever meet another is still debatable in my mind). Its far too flattering to be true. The world isn't flat, we aren't the center of the solar system/galaxy/universe, and we aren't the only living planet.
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As much as I despise that thought, Wilshire, I also despite the thought there must be 'life' without any evidence to the contrary
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Fair enough, but I pick the solution that doesn't flatter quite so much.
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I guess the aliens could be really obsessed with "redness" and base their morality the quality of their own color qualia for reasons they can't explain to us? Like blue is abhorrent to them in the way murder & rape is to us?
Just trying to come up with some plausible shit they could say but we couldn't really understand. So they still are agents with goals but their inclinations are just bizarre.
Yet even then if we could see the evolutionary history of their species we should understand why their wiring is different from ours and why red is Good but blue is Evil?
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I do not think that we can "understand" alien behavior. It is alien to us. We are not supposed to understand it using human concepts and terminology. Alien could be anything, even far outside of our imagination. If we start to describe it in a human way, it is not alien, it is vaguely human.
I think it'd be better to say were under some sort of endangered species protection area and that's the legal limit of what they can do in the area!
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Or it might be like tagging. They would be arrested for destroying private property, so they hide to escape jail.
This is actually a divisive issue among those affected by this sociocultural artifact... farmers especially can lose an an entire years profits (if they aren't savvy enough to make money off the carnival that usually follows the more intricate "circles" (this (http://api.ning.com/files/iMtsiRyPsnhvrPzLdpwUxgfN8iMJ*y*ZWfGqRqZ8tES04MiDM0qhJuO5uPDXQt*VlRGE2BKJO7BQJF13HP03Kee2hVuVpH-1/CropCircle4.jpg), this (http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/55237f9e8eae.jpg), this (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_4A9r9yKkkNs/TE1cuLo_STI/AAAAAAAAFkY/c2oAGKp2KXw/s1600/Crop+Circle+Mayan+Wheel+2012+Silbury+Hill,+Wiltshire,+August+2004.jpg), and this (http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/aj50f9eb55.jpg) don't look like "circles" to me).
so some super long lived species of ETs might not mind spending 10,000 slowly manipulating a population of sentient beings to some unfathomable end.
"Carve me in stone." (http://www.dailygrail.com/files/storyimages/ancient-aliens.png)
Maybe there is an entirely separate evolutionary line that doesn't focus on survival of your own species.... Not sure how that would work, but its possible I suppose.
Biology has done stranger things. The White-Luck Species ;).
Fair enough, but I pick the solution that doesn't flatter quite so much.
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I do not think that we can "understand" alien behavior. It is alien to us. We are not supposed to understand it using human concepts and terminology. Alien could be anything, even far outside of our imagination. If we start to describe it in a human way, it is not alien, it is vaguely human.
I think it'd be better to say were under some sort of endangered species protection area and that's the legal limit of what they can do in the area!
I look forward to my proceeding generations being eaten by our new alien/trans-dimensional overlords - actually that basically sounds terrible; I hope we're an acquired taste.
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This is actually a divisive issue among those affected by this sociocultural artifact... farmers especially can lose an an entire years profits (if they aren't savvy enough to make money off the carnival that usually follows the more intricate "circles" (this, this, this, and this don't look like "circles" to me).
Wow, those are quite amazing. Do you make this happen without the farmers noticing? As you mentioned they can loose a lot of money on this, so I cant see why they would be in on it.
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I think all crop circles - human made or otherwise - are usually done in a night, Royce.
Farmers wake up and their lives are overturned.
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It's interesting to note that this time period of humanity isn't the only one obsessed with "signs" left by supposed extraterrestrials. The ancient Egyptians (who seem to be the crux of all things strange and unexplained in the world) had very interesting hieroglyphics depicting sky people and the like. I realize now that the motivation for fabricating crop circles today could be wealth, but what about back then?
I suppose you could argue they used such things as a religious driving force to increase faith in their gods, but there are quite a lot of weird signs and symbols that exist throughout human culture.
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It's interesting to note that this time period of humanity isn't the only one obsessed with "signs" left by supposed extraterrestrials. The ancient Egyptians (who seem to be the crux of all things strange and unexplained in the world) had very interesting hieroglyphics depicting sky people and the like. I realize now that the motivation for fabricating crop circles today could be wealth, but what about back then?
This reminded me of that old docu called Magical Egypt or something :) I enjoyed that one.
I guess they were greedy on the substances that alter consciousness, so they tried their best to depict what they saw. One theory amongst many :)
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It's interesting to note that this time period of humanity isn't the only one obsessed with "signs" left by supposed extraterrestrials. The ancient Egyptians (who seem to be the crux of all things strange and unexplained in the world) had very interesting hieroglyphics depicting sky people and the like. I realize now that the motivation for fabricating crop circles today could be wealth, but what about back then?
I have no issue with the idea of aliens existing, and the pursing of such ideas as a pass time is entertaining. IMO its unlikely we have had contact, but there is still the possibility. There are certainly strange things in humanities written history.
However, the history/science channel shows on the subjects are miserable at best :P. ALIENS! is not an explanation for every single phenomenon, and the subject can quickly degrade into conspiracy-theory subject matter.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic". This could be applied to the ancient Egyptians and such.
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I don't think depiction of people floating in the sky would count as proof. There are many, many depictions of gods or spirits across the world after all.
That said, I do recall some weird shit happening in pre-modern Japan relating to sky phenomenon being witnessed by huge swaths of the populace. Plus there's that whole Divine Wind thing.
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There certainly is too much doubt and too little 'evidence' to confirm ET visits, but there is enough vagary to allow speculation at least.
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It's interesting to note that this time period of humanity isn't the only one obsessed with "signs" left by supposed extraterrestrials. The ancient Egyptians (who seem to be the crux of all things strange and unexplained in the world) had very interesting hieroglyphics depicting sky people and the like. I realize now that the motivation for fabricating crop circles today could be wealth, but what about back then?
I suppose you could argue they used such things as a religious driving force to increase faith in their gods, but there are quite a lot of weird signs and symbols that exist throughout human culture.
Pssh... Raizen. Find me a culture of time that doesn't have their valued symbols and signs ;).
I wasn't necessary saying that people made crop circles for wealth. And by Royce's art/graffiti argument upthread, if it wasn't someone else's property they were using as canvas, these people would be artists and wealthy. As for the farmers, if they get involved in the pandemonium that surrounds circle culture, they are barely recuperating their losses of the crops...
I haven't really paused to consider what evidence I want to bring to the thread but the most basic human motivation for doing these things is because it inspires people... bit o'magic.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic". This could be applied to the ancient Egyptians and such.
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I don't think depiction of people floating in the sky would count as proof. There are many, many depictions of gods or spirits across the world after all.
That said, I do recall some weird shit happening in pre-modern Japan relating to sky phenomenon being witnessed by huge swaths of the populace. Plus there's that whole Divine Wind thing.
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I've read about this pre-modern Japan thing... as well as a couple other historically corroborated celestial events. I need to find it now.
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Pssh... Raizen. Find me a culture of time that doesn't have their valued symbols and signs
Right. This worshipping of symbols and signs is fascinating stuff. Where do they come from? I am talking about pre organized religion times, because the organized sales of ideas and symbols are not fascinating as a mystery.
I wasn't necessary saying that people made crop circles for wealth
I also think it is important to stress that even though someone has been caught doing this, does not at all imply that every piece around the world is made the same way(by folks). If they are, I am very interested in finding out their specific technique, because I have not heard anyone actually explain to me how it is possible to make these pieces of art, in a short period of time and without anyone noticing.
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As for no one noticing... its in a farm :P, not so difficult to hide in acres of farmland (daylight or otherwise).
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I'm rather enjoying the image of the priests of Egypt high on peyote painting their temple walls lol
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Graham Hancock's Supernatural has some interesting comparisons between UFO abductions, fairy sightings, psychedelic experiences, and drug (or otherwise) induced shamanic vision quests.
I think the relation between the altered states is spot on, and the factors behind these experiences would be worth delving into.
Where Hancock stretches things is when he suggests the potential Spirit World that borders our own. I'm not sure there's enough there to really make this claim. It's like saying the commonality in archetypes (Trickster, Earth Mother, Sky Father, etc) is enough to show these beings must exist somewhere.
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"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic". This could be applied to the ancient Egyptians and such.
Fair point, look at how much people were astonished by Tesla's AC current when he first debuted it.
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I'm rather enjoying the image of the priests of Egypt high on peyote painting their temple walls lol
It is not as silly as you might think :) It is not such a bad theory when you look into the effects of these various substances you know. Most people will state that they have a profound religious experience. So I can easily see that pre literate societies took these visions as proof of the existence of higher beings(god) and eventually started worshipping symbols or signs depicting these visions.
As I mentioned above, there might of course be many other theories which are more spot on ;)
As for no one noticing... its in a farm :P, not so difficult to hide in acres of farmland (daylight or otherwise).
Ok, fine :P Some of them might get away with that. Still would like to know some of the techniques they use.
Where Hancock stretches things is when he suggests the potential Spirit World that borders our own. I'm not sure there's enough there to really make this claim. It's like saying the commonality in archetypes (Trickster, Earth Mother, Sky Father, etc) is enough to show these beings must exist somewhere.
In his defence, he has probably been involved in hundreds of ceremonies, and since the experience in itself is so convincing, I can see him being very convinced by now :) But you are right, his conviction through experience does not bring forth proof of anything.
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In his defence, he has probably been involved in hundreds of ceremonies, and since the experience in itself is so convincing, I can see him being very convinced by now :) But you are right, his conviction through experience does not bring forth proof of anything.
Just to be clear I'm not saying he's 100% wrong. Just that he's taking the common themes and then assuming it's proof.
For one thing, no one in the DMT trials or on ayahuasca actually goes anywhere. Which would, in turn, suggest no one who experiences a UFO abduction goes anywhere.
But Hancock seems to take it the other way, which is that DMT and ayahuasca allow part of your consciousness to go to other realms and produce ultraterrestrial-human hybrids.
I think he'd have been better off examining the commonalities in the DMT/ayahuasca
experiences. If he can show some of the imagery that has been experienced prior to the internet was not due to communication about the drug he'd really hit upon something.
I mean even Sam Harris was impressed by some of that data at one time as it is kinda weird.
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Right. This worshipping of symbols and signs is fascinating stuff. Where do they come from? I am talking about pre organized religion times, because the organized sales of ideas and symbols are not fascinating as a mystery.
I was an avid student of the Transition for a number of years, Royce (the moment in time where consciousness seems to have "flicked on" in our cultural records).
Sensory deprivation and ritual substances seems to have been the standing theory for a number of years. I really like the ideas emerging now in the anthropology community in considering the acoustics (because consider all of the senses!!!) of ancient places (the "blue rocks" at Stonehenge or the less recent "music caves").
But I can imagine listening to the person who knew more stories than anyone else, after he maximized the degrees of separation between himself and the people [EDIT: Terrible me... there were obviously matriarchal societies - in fact some argue that matriarchal culture prevalently preceded patriarchal.]
To be quite honest, there is limited research into it, but if what keeps people alive gets preserved over generations, elders are like the lynchpin of a cultures agency (or tyrants, priests, and divine right of royalty). And so whatever they were doing, by that logic, had to have been successful most of the time, for... some utilitarian amount of the culture or else, the tradition would have fallen out of practice as that culture would have died out.
I'm rather enjoying the image of the priests of Egypt high on peyote painting their temple walls lol
It is not as silly as you might think :) It is not such a bad theory when you look into the effects of these various substances you know. Most people will state that they have a profound religious experience. So I can easily see that pre literate societies took these visions as proof of the existence of higher beings(god) and eventually started worshipping symbols or signs depicting these visions.
As I mentioned above, there might of course be many other theories which are more spot on ;)
Well, I was going to make the further tongue-in-cheek comment that we'd find it difficult to name a human culture that didn't get their leaders fucked up (unless it was a matter of persecution... over intoxication of consciousness), but that isn't strictly true. A great number of cultures and societies have followed the intoxicated, though (and still do the way politicians abuse legal drugs).
As for no one noticing... its in a farm :P, not so difficult to hide in acres of farmland (daylight or otherwise).
Ok, fine :P Some of them might get away with that. Still would like to know some of the techniques they use.
How to Make a Crop Circle (http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Crop-Circle)
Crop circles demystified: how the patterns are created (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/10217151/Crop-circles-demystified-how-the-patterns-are-created.html)
Circlemakers - Beginner's Guide (http://www.circlemakers.org/guide.html)
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Rebuttals to most of these involve measuring phenomenon by scientific methods or otherwise and looking for anomalies - the most obvious one is that many crop stalks in circles don't match breaking patterns of board planks pressing them down.
For one thing, no one in the DMT trials or on ayahuasca actually goes anywhere. Which would, in turn, suggest no one who experiences a UFO abduction goes anywhere.
It makes me think that the guiding narrative and the pageantry of ritual are necessary aspects...
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It makes me think that the guiding narrative and the pageantry of ritual are necessary aspects...
It's definitely possible. I've read about rituals that induce altered states like what seems to be possession, but the ritual can also take that altered state - whatever it is - and make it far more useful than the erratic shifts in behavior we see with demons possessing(?) Christians or ghosts possessing(?) Hindu women on the eve of their marriage.
So perhaps both possession and abduction relate to psychological events that take on more chaotic aspects when divorced from ritual. I really wish Hancock had explored this some more. For example he mentions the carnival imagery appearing to a great number of DMT users, and the possibility that people ignorant of others' experiences are having similar trip imagery, but then doesn't really pursue that.
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Look, I'm from Buenos Aires and I say KILL EM ALL
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Sensory deprivation and ritual substances seems to have been the standing theory for a number of years. I really like the ideas emerging now in the anthropology community in considering the acoustics (because consider all of the senses!!!) of ancient places (the "blue rocks" at Stonehenge or the less recent "music caves").
This is very interesting. Can you elaborate, or maybe post some links? ;)
To be quite honest, there is limited research into it, but if what keeps people alive gets preserved over generations, elders are like the lynchpin of a cultures agency (or tyrants, priests, and divine right of royalty). And so whatever they were doing, by that logic, had to have been successful most of the time, for... some utilitarian amount of the culture or else, the tradition would have fallen out of practice as that culture would have died out.
Wade Davis is looking into this aspect in his book "Light at the edge of the world: A journey through the realm of vanishing cultures". Have not read it yet, but I think he is of the opinion that if all this old knowledge disappears, it will be a great loss. When a culture disappears, the language disappears too, and then there are no one who can pass on the knowledge. More and more cultures are being civilized, and the old ways are taken over by the new ways.
P.S Thanks for those "how to make crop circles" links Madness. I will show these to some of my more alien inclined friends :)
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It makes me think that the guiding narrative and the pageantry of ritual are necessary aspects...
It's definitely possible. I've read about rituals that induce altered states like what seems to be possession, but the ritual can also take that altered state - whatever it is - and make it far more useful than the erratic shifts in behavior we see with demons possessing(?) Christians or ghosts possessing(?) Hindu women on the eve of their marriage.
So perhaps both possession and abduction relate to psychological events that take on more chaotic aspects when divorced from ritual. I really wish Hancock had explored this some more. For example he mentions the carnival imagery appearing to a great number of DMT users, and the possibility that people ignorant of others' experiences are having similar trip imagery, but then doesn't really pursue that.
It makes me think of the narrative spun by schizophrenics... but there could be plenty of disorders or simply real life rituals/substance use that might imitate that narrative portion of real dysfunction.
But who knows... I really have no way to account for demons, etc, because I've not yet had to deal with that type of situation. I hope I don't just break down and cry :).
This is very interesting. Can you elaborate, or maybe post some links? ;)
Lol... I find this stuff pretty interesting so, though I linked one dissenting opinion, forgive me:
Archaeoacoustics reconstructs the sound of Stonehenge (http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/04/archaeoacoustics-reconstructs-the-sound-of-stonehenge/)
Stone Age Art Caves May Have Been Concert Halls (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/07/080702-cave-paintings.html)
Archaeoacoustics: The Sound of Ancient Megalithic Structures. (http://thearrowsoftruth.com/archeoacoustics-the-sound-of-ancient-megalithic-structures/)
Archaeoacoustics: Tantalizing, but fantastical (https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/scene/archaeoacoustics-tantalizing-fantastical)
Archaeoacoustics (http://www.landscape-perception.com/archaeoacoustics/)
Archeoacoustics: Old Temples Study Foundation (http://www.otsf.org/Archaeoacoustics.htm)
Ancient Temple Architects May Have Been Chasing a Buzz From Sound Waves (http://www.viewzone.com/archeosound.html)
Stonehenge's eerie sounds revived (http://cosmiclog.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/04/26/11418090-stonehenges-eerie-sounds-revived)
Wade Davis is looking into this aspect in his book "Light at the edge of the world: A journey through the realm of vanishing cultures". Have not read it yet, but I think he is of the opinion that if all this old knowledge disappears, it will be a great loss. When a culture disappears, the language disappears too, and then there are no one who can pass on the knowledge. More and more cultures are being civilized, and the old ways are taken over by the new ways.
P.S Thanks for those "how to make crop circles" links Madness. I will show these to some of my more alien inclined friends :)
Interesting. And no worries.
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I'm attempting to give this a fair shake without sounding like too much of a fanatic, but this gentleman's certainty is enough to give me pause.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifq0BHivado
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83v5Rgeu2Yc
Now, the government covering things up is pretty standard, but he has enough apparent documents and testimonials (I'm attempting to find proof of what exactly it is he's talking about in this video) that you can't shake off the feeling that he really has found something fishy. His "inertia of the secrecy" argument is fascinating. Maybe in the beginning we found something and can't give up the ghost on the lie because we are so ingrained in covering it up? Now there are a few points he makes that are a bit extreme, but some of them are unique to the point where you are at least curious enough to listen to him.
This is very interesting. Can you elaborate, or maybe post some links? ;)
Lol... I find this stuff pretty interesting so, though I linked one dissenting opinion, forgive me:
Archaeoacoustics reconstructs the sound of Stonehenge (http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/04/archaeoacoustics-reconstructs-the-sound-of-stonehenge/)
Stone Age Art Caves May Have Been Concert Halls (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/07/080702-cave-paintings.html)
Archaeoacoustics: The Sound of Ancient Megalithic Structures. (http://thearrowsoftruth.com/archeoacoustics-the-sound-of-ancient-megalithic-structures/)
Archaeoacoustics: Tantalizing, but fantastical (https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/scene/archaeoacoustics-tantalizing-fantastical)
Archaeoacoustics (http://www.landscape-perception.com/archaeoacoustics/)
Archeoacoustics: Old Temples Study Foundation (http://www.otsf.org/Archaeoacoustics.htm)
Ancient Temple Architects May Have Been Chasing a Buzz From Sound Waves (http://www.viewzone.com/archeosound.html)
Stonehenge's eerie sounds revived (http://cosmiclog.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/04/26/11418090-stonehenges-eerie-sounds-revived)
Madness, you've just given me enough interesting articles to distract me from working today lol
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Dr. Steven Greer, eh? Gall... it is so easy to fall down the rabbit hole following links and videos. I used to do that for days on end :D. Happy carefree days.
Lol, happy distraction, Raizen :).
EDIT:
Topically off-topic: What Are the Acoustic Wonders of the World? (http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/what-are-acoustic-wonders-world-180950043/?no-ist)
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Yeah, do not tempt me either Raizen ;D I clawed my way up the rabbit hole many years ago, stinking of sweat and bad cannabis.
And Raizen, there is a thread http://second-apocalypse.com/index.php?topic=1125.0
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I'll suddenly snap back into every day life after reading all of this...
(http://whatyearisit.info/img/what_year_is_it.jpg)
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If that doesn't happen with this forum, then we haven't been building the monument properly ;).
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It's incredible just how obsessed Pinchbeck was about this stuff in 2012: Return of Quetzacoatl.
Breaking Open the Head was an incredible book, going off into speculative paths, even into "high strangeness" where the Phenomenal pokes into the Material, but for all that still felt grounded...even if only one foot was on the ground you felt like there was metaphorical value in the encounters with spiritual entities.
Sadly 2012:RoQ sometimes feels like the baby was thrown out but Pinchbeck was still drinking the bathwater and offering it as his own Koolaid variant. He still manages to balance his Imaginal/Phenomenal encounters and discussions with metaphor, at least for awhile, but his own hipster self-pity track intertwines with his crop circle obsession which somehow excuses his infidelity and general inability to manage relationships or the responsibility of parenting...because aether currents or some shit were repressing his inner-playa....
Y U Like Crop Circles SO MUCH Pinchbeck?
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Crop circles are archetypes which originates from the unconscious. Just as Mckenna argues that UFOs also comes from the unconscious. I need to read Jung more deeply :)
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Cold Fusion in an Italian Crop Circle?
http://dailygrail.com/Sacred-Sites/2014/6/Cold-Fusion-Italian-Crop-Circle
Crop circles aren't restricted to the megalith-infested plains of the United Kingdom - here's one that showed up in Italy on the solstice over the weekend. But rather than being a message from aliens, or manifestations of earth energy interacting with the powers of the Sun, this one seems to be of human origin: Italian circle-maker Francesco Grassi has claimed it as his work (along with his team of Paolo Attivissimo, Marco Morocutti, Simone Angioni, Antonio Ghidoni, Davide Dal Pos, Alessandra Pandolfi), and has titled the crop glyph the "LENR (Low Energy Nuclear Reactions) Clock" (LENR is another name for the controversial science of 'cold fusion'). We posted another circle created by Grassi and his team around this time last year.
Regardless of Grassi's claim, the decoding effort has begun in earnest at Crop Circle Connector. Jump on in if you like trying to decode ciphers.