Quote from: Dora Vee on October 10, 2017, 03:41:58 pm

Started Gardens of the Moon. Very interesting and it looks like the author makes it very clear to NOT get attached with characters. Yikes.

I saw an internet-meme on the Malazan facebook group the other day (avoid for sake of spoilers) regarding Erikson putting Martin to shame in the character-killing category.

Didn't you read Deadhouse Gates?  You should know that by personal experience   .

Quote from: TaoHorror on October 08, 2017, 02:38:06 pm

How do you people know this shit?

'Know' is exactly the wrong word. Certainty is the death of wisdom. If I ever claim to actually know for sure what Bakker is trying to say, you can safely assume my monstrous ego has strangled my last vestiges of good sense and is reeling drunkenly around the inside of my skull, terminally high on hubris.

I merely speculate. My quite-screwed-up brain makes daft links between Bakker's writing and various odd things I've picked up over the years from Hofstadter, Hood, Buddhism, Kirkbride, Warhammer, etc. Sometimes a thought seems well-formed enough to put into words and post it here. Occasionally, I even have some coherent idea of what point I'm trying to make.

For the record, this post you're reading right now is not an example of that last one.

Michael Kirkbride?

Welcome.

Quote from: Redeagl on October 03, 2017, 08:38:49 pm

Quote from: Sausuna on October 03, 2017, 08:07:42 pm

Madness, seems like a very well thought and written post. Well done, I say. And about as respectable a disagreement as one can have.

Redeagl, it isn't his responsibility to comment on the matter (assuming he saw it previously) or even give researched debate on it. And I'm not sure why you feel as though you are entitled to such. So strongly that you feel it appropriate to both call him names and tell people not to buy his books.

Ignoring passionate fan projects completely kills it and most importantly, is certainly " not a good adequate". (   ) .And yes, he certainly did see it previously, he sees every single post made about him in FB groups he is active in. As for my strong feelings, discovering that an author whose books I greatly enjoy, is not " a  very good guy" in first person does that. Like I said, I really liked his books ( Except Red Sister. That was shit. ), but I also recommend against them. Is that bad?  It's just my opinion, that Lawrence doesn't deserve your money.

Does he read all manner of Facebook post about him in detail or does it he skim? Does he typically consider them all very much? Hell if I know. I barely glance over stuff I see at me. Either way, whether he saw it or not is not quite as important, we can proceed assuming he did, if you'd prefer.

I don't have issue with recommending against his books specifically. But I think you insulting his character and claiming he's 'not a very good guy' isn't well justified. And the idea that that is also the justification for telling people not to buy them. It isn't his responsibility to read and/or respond to all discussion about him, especially not in debate of an issue. And it doesn't make him a bad person to want to earn more money. Especially when his response seemed rather political, whether or not his claim is necessarily correct. I understand entirely not agreeing with what he said and, to an extent, not liking it either. But it just seems like insults are a step too far. That's what bothers me on the matter.

Ah, it appears that there was a little misunderstanding there. So, a TL;DR of Lawrence: He is pretty damn social, unlike say, Bakker. He is active in Facebook fantasy groups, reddit, etc etc... You name it. He is also, more or less, a popular author. Of course he doesn't see every post or comment anybody makes on him at anytime everywhere. That said, like I said, he is social. I have him on my friend list on Facebook, he comments on all kinds of stuff so, his ignoring the public posts about the forum, then commenting in a private profile instead, is not a good move. So, he made his comment which is in the original post. I replied with " General places suck. " , Madness replied too and the person whose page we were talking in. We disagreed with his comments. He got notifications. He didn't reply. After a day, Madness replied with a request to Lawrence to post about the forum. Another ignore, but after like an hour, Lawrence posted about a Reddit/fantasy thread asking about his books, presumably to get his fans abroad.So no, of course he isn't entitled to respond to every discussion about him. But when he posts a "questionable" comment then ignore all different point of views, then make a blog post about it and not accepting any comments..............That's a slap to the face. And it's not the first time I see him being "not very pleasant" either.Everybody wants to earn more money. That's no secret. But would you say that say, thieves are not bad for just wanting some money?  If someone got me a gift that I didn't like at all, would I just tell him that I don't need it and ignore him for the rest of the day?  That someone only had good intentions by bringing me this gift. Why wouldn't I at least, thank him and treat him well despite my dislike of that gift ?  It's simple manners. Authors who treat their fans "unkindly" just for earning more money, does not deserve to earn that money.
Sorry for the long rant, it's 1AM and it have been a long day. I will probably make a more meaningful reply tomorrow.

A few points from me. Opinions are mine, not Madness's. He can't come up with opinions as thoughtful as mine unless he becomes truly faithful in his worship of Akka.:
- Lawrence did not reply to our replies to his original comment ( We disagreed with him. ). Then completely ignored Madness's request to share the forum's link.
- Lawrence did not comment at all in the multiple public posts about the forum, like Madness's original post in GDFRW, and The Grim Tidings Podcast, but chose to comment in the personal wall of a GDFRW member.
- Lawrence decides to post a ( Rather stupid IMO.)  blog post as the reply.
Redeagl's conclusion: That's douche-ey.

Next in Redeagl's character appreciation series: Cnaiür. Just joking, but I would actually love to do a post like that for Cnaiür, detailing my emotions and thoughts towards him. After TUC, I sat and thought a lot about him. And that's how Cnaiür became my second top favourite character.

Good thread. I approve.