[Sausuna]

I had an off-hand thought. From what I recall, Kellhus' grandson was considered defective by the Dunyain (correct me if I'm misremembering). Did it ever outline what his defect was? Do we just assume it is his hand? I can't recall the details for the life of me.


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[Madness]

I had an off-hand thought. From what I recall, Kellhus' grandson was considered defective by the Dunyain (correct me if I'm misremembering). Did it ever outline what his defect was? Do we just assume it is his hand? I can't recall the details for the life of me.

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I believe so.

[Somnambulist]

My impression:

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I always thought (though it doesn't specifically say) that he lost his fingers as a result of sranc attacks.  I think it's mentioned his hand had scars, which wouldn't be the case if it was congenital.  Second, just before he exits the narrative, as the skinspy is chasing him, he feels fury.  I think his defect was emotion, or too much of it according to the Dunyain, anyway.  That was my take.

[Redeagl]

My impression:

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I always thought (though it doesn't specifically say) that he lost his fingers as a result of sranc attacks.  I think it's mentioned his hand had scars, which wouldn't be the case if it was congenital.  Second, just before he exits the narrative, as the skinspy is chasing him, he feels fury.  I think his defect was emotion, or too much of it according to the Dunyain, anyway.  That was my take.

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Kellhus feels emotion in his training flashbacks. To be a "real" Dûnyain, you need to be fully blooded and trained. Crabicus is not trained.

[ThoughtsOfThelli]

My impression:

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I always thought (though it doesn't specifically say) that he lost his fingers as a result of sranc attacks.  I think it's mentioned his hand had scars, which wouldn't be the case if it was congenital.  Second, just before he exits the narrative, as the skinspy is chasing him, he feels fury.  I think his defect was emotion, or too much of it according to the Dunyain, anyway.  That was my take.

What I understood from TGO was very much the same, though I wonder

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why/how he was considered to be defective so young, since apparently he was an infant (per Koringhus' recollections) at the time Ishuäl was attacked. Seems a bit premature to label a child as too tainted by emotion...

[Somnambulist]

My impression:

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I always thought (though it doesn't specifically say) that he lost his fingers as a result of sranc attacks.  I think it's mentioned his hand had scars, which wouldn't be the case if it was congenital.  Second, just before he exits the narrative, as the skinspy is chasing him, he feels fury.  I think his defect was emotion, or too much of it according to the Dunyain, anyway.  That was my take.

What I understood from TGO was very much the same, though I wonder

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why/how he was considered to be defective so young, since apparently he was an infant (per Koringhus' recollections) at the time Ishuäl was attacked. Seems a bit premature to label a child as too tainted by emotion...

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I think I mentioned this in another thread some time ago, but couldn't say which one it was.  My take was that, after two thousand years of eugenics, they know what to look for.  Also, as Esme recounts the births of her children, she's able to deduce pretty much right away if they were more Dunyain or more human.  I don't see why the Dunyain wouldn't be able to tell quickly one way or the other.

[Madness]

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I was going to agree with Thelli but I do think Somnambulist makes a good point as well.

[ThoughtsOfThelli]

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I think I mentioned this in another thread some time ago, but couldn't say which one it was.  My take was that, after two thousand years of eugenics, they know what to look for.  Also, as Esme recounts the births of her children, she's able to deduce pretty much right away if they were more Dunyain or more human.  I don't see why the Dunyain wouldn't be able to tell quickly one way or the other.

I suppose that's possible, yes, hadn't really thought of it that way.

[Wilshire]

I had an off-hand thought.

lmao with the hand puns.

[Sausuna]

I had an off-hand thought.

lmao with the hand puns.

Entirely unintentional. Also, thanks for the edit.

[Wolfdrop]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the text says "lopped" indicating that they were cut off at some point rather than being a case of ectrodactyly.

[TaoHorror]

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Before I returned to this forum after completing TUC, I had an inkling that he was going to play a major role in defeating TNG. This was before I knew there were going to be more books ( so I still may be right, but by the end of the book I was like, "Where did he go? He survived the skinspy only to disappear into the wild ... ". My thinking was his "defectiveness" would ironically be the special brew ( of genetics ) to defeat Mog/The Consult, that the Dunyain lacked dimensions and were eliminating defectives to their detriment, too focused on their pursuit, too quick to eliminate persons who could've helped them on their path as well as defend them against attacks, etc. A "human" Dunyain could well be the "hero" the world needs. I was thinking his "defect" was emotion as well, but could've been physical - something The Mutilated has learned the hard way, physical "defects" don't denote weakness

[Cynical Cat]

Crabicus's mental abilities seem to be on the lower end of the Dunyain scale (he catches on pretty quick, but he's not good at deception) and that's why he was suspected of being defective.  Remember he hadn't been declared Defective yet, but he was probably developing slower than he should have (these are the Dunyain, of course they would track childhood development) and so they were suspecting he would turn out to be defective.  He's clearly a phenomenally talented boy by reasonable standards, but the Dunyain care about chasing the Absolute.

[Simas Polchias]

Did it ever outline what his defect was?

My main bet is... it's a biggest, reddest herring in the whole series. Boy have a perfectly normal hand, nothing to worry about. It's just that late duniyain at last got in some positive-feedback mistake because of their advanced body-reading skill and mistreated the impression.

Or -- he is as much advanced duniyain to Koringhus as Koringhus was to Kellhus and thus pragmas were unable to see his superiority, just like with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integer_overflow error. They saw him as flawed because he stepped over to somewhere where they will never ever be capable of walking at all.

[MSJ]

I always thought that his hand was hurt during the fighting with the Sranc. And, I agree with Simas, they thought him defective for some other reason. I could be wrong about the hand, but I don't remember it ever being stated as that was the reason for him being defective.

I am very excited to read about him, and his POV of the world as an untrained Dûnyain. I think it might be the case that he is on a higher level than Koringhus and that they never noticed it because he was thought defective. It's great that he's basically superhuman, but doesn't have the outlook on life like other Dûnyain, the Logos and all that.