The Second Apocalypse
Miscellaneous Chatter => The Forum of Interesting Things => Topic started by: sciborg2 on September 06, 2013, 04:29:54 am
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The Siren Call of Hungry Ghosts (http://www.zaporacle.com/the-siren-call-of-hungry-ghosts)
Ever read something that in ordinary circumstances you could dismiss as superstition but somehow the particular case still scares you.
The happened to me with this story of "ghosts" pretending to be helpful. My rational mind asks me how such beings could exist in realms undetectable to any instrument, how ghosts would imply dualism with all its philsophical weaknesses, and so on.
But it's still hard to fall asleep thinking about it. :-P
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have you read this?,sounds kind of fun :)
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have you read this?,sounds kind of fun :)
Haven't read the book. It's funny, my skeptical side raises all sorts of problems inherent to the idea of souls or demons existing in some astral world interacting with this universe. I know the most likely explanation is that the mediums are faking it or putting themselves into an altered state, I even wrote a paper at uni about this....
But this story still freaks the fuck out of me, and thinking about it at night the paranoid part of me is sure I 'm going to be contacted by these Others. :P ;D
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Haven't read the book. It's funny, my skeptical side raises all sorts of problems inherent to the idea of souls or demons existing in some astral world interacting with this universe. I know the most likely explanation is that the mediums are faking it or putting themselves into an altered state, I even wrote a paper at uni about this....
Then you probably came across Terence Mckenna and his various encounters with entities while under the influence of psilocybin mushrooms and various other substances,shamanism etc? His encounters with elf-like entities is my personal favorite :)
I think this is interesting,but not something I take very seriously.First of all since I have not encountered any entities myself yet.It does pose some interesting questions about reality though.Most people I have talked to about altered states says that science have no chance at all trying to explain the nature of their experiences,because even words have a hard time explaining what happens in these various states :) Are they hallucinating while in these states,or are they actually experiencing another reality/dimension? I sure don`t have a fucking clue what is going on here ;D
Bought that book for my kindle by the way ;)
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DMT Machine Elves :o?
I'm interested in the similarities between 'trips.'
Sorry, off topic, just wanted to respond.
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DMT Machine Elves :o?
lol ;D Yes you are right about that,it was under the influence of DMT he encountered the elves.DMT is quite similar to psilosybin,meaning you can interact with the entities you encounter.Other psychedelics like LSD or ayahuasca does not bring forth this feeling of communication with entities.I have talked to people who have experienced this,and this interaction is not necessarily profound in any way,which many may claim.
Terence did have a committed relationship with the mushroom,even stating(probably not serious) that the mushroom is a intergalactic species who traveled across space(since the spores can survive in extreme temperature) to inhabit our planet,and spread their message through psychedelic experiences ;D
What do you call this? beautiful lunacy maybe :)
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Continuing the derailment... :) Graham Hancock also wrote a book about DMT and shamanistic trips in which he and others interacted with 'other' entities. It is called Supernatural and definitely skews the perspective to fit his own agenda, but was an interesting read.
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Continuing the derailment... :) Graham Hancock also wrote a book about DMT and shamanistic trips in which he and others interacted with 'other' entities. It is called Supernatural and definitely skews the perspective to fit his own agenda, but was an interesting read.
I actually have that one,but haven`t read it yet.Altered states and the use of psychedelic plants in different cultures is a interesting subject indeed.That you can change how you perceive reality through what you eat,fascinates me immensely.
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Royce your comment makes me think of the movie Inception a little:
If a certain state altering drug/food was a daily staple in your diet, from birth especially, then you would come to see the absence of the affect and illusion, and think the affects of it reality.
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If a certain state altering drug/food was a daily staple in your diet, from birth especially, then you would come to see the absence of the affect and illusion, and think the affects of it reality.
I would think so yes :) Mckennas theory about psychedelic plants and its effect on the evolution of consciousness,creativity and abstract thinking does make sense to some people I guess.I don`t have enough knowledge on the subject,so I remain undecided on the issue.He mainly states that at some point in history we started to include mushrooms in our diet,where small doses increases hearing,eyesight and you are constantly horny ;D These factors are important when you live in hunter-gatherer society.Hearing to detect danger more easily,eyesight to hit your target more often,and being horny leads to more procreation,which then stimulates growth in number.What stimulated these primitive people to suddenly become creative beings(cave arts and so on) is an interesting issue.Mckenna obviously thinks that the psychedelic mushroom stimulated this evolution on our conscioussness
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DMT Machine Elves :o?
I'm interested in the similarities between 'trips.'
Sorry, off topic, just wanted to respond.
No reason to stay on topic, I think this is the kind of thread that benefits from digression.
I recall Sam Harris of all people talking about the similarities between the trips of different users taking DMT.
I've not really found a good source of evidence that shows this occurring. And how would you even devise a good way to test something like that?
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@Royce:
Are they hallucinating while in these states,or are they actually experiencing another reality/dimension? I sure don`t have a fucking clue what is going on here ;D
Bought that book for my kindle by the way ;)
I tend to lean toward the pragmatic, agnostic view - that people have the right to explore their own consciousness via drugs and that there does seem to be therapeutic benefits to ingestion of certain drugs.
A friend of mine is working on a cancer anxiety study where they give shrooms to terminally ill cancer patients. Apparently tripping on mushrooms reduces the fear of death. There's also evidence that LSD can be incredibly therapeutic, and some doctors are using ibogaine to treat heroin addiction. The latter figures prominently for the first part of Pinchbeck's Breaking Open the Head.
And , heh, I'm debating buying the book. Siren Call of Hungry Ghosts is a good title...and if nothing else it seems like it'd be a good horror read...
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A friend of mine is working on a cancer anxiety study where they give shrooms to terminally ill cancer patients. Apparently tripping on mushrooms reduces the fear of death. There's also evidence that LSD can be incredibly therapeutic, and some doctors are using ibogaine to treat heroin addiction. The latter figures prominently for the first part of Pinchbeck's Breaking Open the Head.
Yeah,I have encountered similar examples of positive effects among certain psychedelics.Too bad they are illegal though,makes research on this subject far more difficult.Those LSD experiments in the sixties were very sucessfull against anxiety,depression etc.Are there research done today on this subject? I though the research stopped because of the illegality of the substances.
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Terence did have a committed relationship with the mushroom,even stating(probably not serious) that the mushroom is a intergalactic species who traveled across space(since the spores can survive in extreme temperature) to inhabit our planet,and spread their message through psychedelic experiences ;D
What do you call this? beautiful lunacy maybe :)
Lol, more specifically, those were some very specific mushrooms in South America, that come from a network covering an enormous area, ingested on an seven day trip, and the mushroom entity told McKenna that our experience results from our tasting their "sexual appendage."
The Mushroom Life theory, separately, is actually pretty interesting for the reasons mentioned.
Continuing the derailment... :) Graham Hancock also wrote a book about DMT and shamanistic trips in which he and others interacted with 'other' entities. It is called Supernatural and definitely skews the perspective to fit his own agenda, but was an interesting read.
I actually have that one,but haven`t read it yet.Altered states and the use of psychedelic plants in different cultures is a interesting subject indeed.That you can change how you perceive reality through what you eat,fascinates me immensely.
Royce your comment makes me think of the movie Inception a little:
If a certain state altering drug/food was a daily staple in your diet, from birth especially, then you would come to see the absence of the affect and illusion, and think the affects of it reality.
Honestly, to your brain, everything is a drug; or at least, that's proven an effective analogy. But I know at some point I'm going to get into this in james' Soylent thread.
If a certain state altering drug/food was a daily staple in your diet, from birth especially, then you would come to see the absence of the affect and illusion, and think the affects of it reality.
I would think so yes :) Mckennas theory about psychedelic plants and its effect on the evolution of consciousness,creativity and abstract thinking does make sense to some people I guess.I don`t have enough knowledge on the subject,so I remain undecided on the issue.He mainly states that at some point in history we started to include mushrooms in our diet,where small doses increases hearing,eyesight and you are constantly horny ;D These factors are important when you live in hunter-gatherer society.Hearing to detect danger more easily,eyesight to hit your target more often,and being horny leads to more procreation,which then stimulates growth in number.What stimulated these primitive people to suddenly become creative beings(cave arts and so on) is an interesting issue.Mckenna obviously thinks that the psychedelic mushroom stimulated this evolution on our conscioussness
It's actually not a bad hypothesis. I liked his 'paranormal' attempt at serious academic work - A for Effort. Again, like the Sheldrake thread, I think it's a more an issue of employment then status rather than refutation or even consideration.
DMT Machine Elves :o?
I'm interested in the similarities between 'trips.'
Sorry, off topic, just wanted to respond.
No reason to stay on topic, I think this is the kind of thread that benefits from digression.
I recall Sam Harris of all people talking about the similarities between the trips of different users taking DMT.
I've not really found a good source of evidence that shows this occurring. And how would you even devise a good way to test something like that?
You need cumulative evidence from as many cross-contextual analyses as possible. A matrix of interdisciplinary context.
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Are they hallucinating while in these states,or are they actually experiencing another reality/dimension? I sure don`t have a fucking clue what is going on here ;D
Bought that book for my kindle by the way ;)
I tend to lean toward the pragmatic, agnostic view - that people have the right to explore their own consciousness via drugs and that there does seem to be therapeutic benefits to ingestion of certain drugs.
A friend of mine is working on a cancer anxiety study where they give shrooms to terminally ill cancer patients. Apparently tripping on mushrooms reduces the fear of death. There's also evidence that LSD can be incredibly therapeutic, and some doctors are using ibogaine to treat heroin addiction. The latter figures prominently for the first part of Pinchbeck's Breaking Open the Head.
And , heh, I'm debating buying the book. Siren Call of Hungry Ghosts is a good title...and if nothing else it seems like it'd be a good horror read...
Lol. Pinchbeck.
I support the above endeavors.
Yeah,I have encountered similar examples of positive effects among certain psychedelics.Too bad they are illegal though,makes research on this subject far more difficult.Those LSD experiments in the sixties were very sucessfull against anxiety,depression etc.Are there research done today on this subject? I though the research stopped because of the illegality of the substances.
The envelope is being pushed again in many regions of the planet, Royce. There is a plethora of different substance research available from the late 20th century and now at the start of the 21st.
Obviously, there are positive and negative criticisms and the social pressures remain in flux.
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I tend to lean toward the pragmatic, agnostic view - that people have the right to explore their own consciousness via drugs and that there does seem to be therapeutic benefits to ingestion of certain drugs.
I agree.
And , heh, I'm debating buying the book. Siren Call of Hungry Ghosts is a good title...and if nothing else it seems like it'd be a good horror read...
Just started on this one,and this will most likely scare me shitless ;D When it is over,my rational brain will hopefully comfort me,since I can`t believe any of this.This has to be experienced,reading about it will not convince me.It is nevertheless well written and engaging so far,will come back with more when I finish it.
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So I'll probably make another thread on the therapeutic value of psychedelics, as I think it's a topic that is of interest even to those who may not care about ghosts.
But on the subject of entities, Richard Strassman is the guy who injected people with DMT. From what I've gathered, he was expecting people to have spiritual feelings that related to some ideas in Zen Buddhism. Instead people who'd been injected started talking about meeting beings in other realities.
Seems to me the challenge here is to parse how likely such shared trip experiences would be among people who have some common cultural expectations.
Just started on this one,and this will most likely scare me shitless ;D
It's the author committing suicide that makes it creepy. Though I've been told the ghosts in the story really come off as con-artists rather than representatives of some kind of Platonic Evil.
@Madness: Why the Lol-ing against Pinchbeck? Mind you I've only read about 2/3 of Breaking Open the Head and checked in on his blog long ago.
The value of ibogaine in the treatment of addiction was the thing that caught my interest, as well as the apparently common experience of a life review.
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It's the author committing suicide that makes it creepy. Though I've been told the ghosts in the story really come off as con-artists rather than representatives of some kind of Platonic Evil.
Yeah,that definitely shows some convincing commitment from his part. The problem reading about his experiences with meeting guides through mediums and so on,is that you basically has to take his word on it being true.Killing himself shows at least that he was convinced I guess
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I actually came across a book that is similar in certain aspects,it is called"A Psychonaut's Guide to the Invisible Landscape" by Dan Carpenter.He used psychedelics to communicate with so called entities,and he too killed himself.
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@Madness: Why the Lol-ing against Pinchbeck? Mind you I've only read about 2/3 of Breaking Open the Head and checked in on his blog long ago.
The value of ibogaine in the treatment of addiction was the thing that caught my interest, as well as the apparently common experience of a life review.
I've read all his stuff and for a number of years tried hard to be involved in the Evolver Network. I particularly appreciate the Evolver Spores, which are representative of an efficient global model for information dissemination.
I lol'd because I find life's random connections humorous. Though, Pinchbeck has certainly behaved and espoused beliefs, which a number of people do ridicule.
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I lol'd because I find life's random connections humorous. Though, Pinchbeck has certainly behaved and espoused beliefs, which a number of people do ridicule.
Ah gotcha. I recall some stuff involving the Evolver network but never paid too much attention to it.
I probably should take a second look.
I actually came across a book that is similar in certain aspects,it is called"A Psychonaut's Guide to the Invisible Landscape" by Dan Carpenter.He used psychedelics to communicate with so called entities,and he too killed himself.
For whatever reason, I'm more willing to trust in the likely fictional entities people meet using psychedelics rather than the likely fictional entities people meet using mediums. ;D
Part of that is because I don't think the life review process is seen as negative. The use of mediums seems more creepy and suspect to me, likely due to cultural conditioning.
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I've read all his stuff
Does that include "what comes after money"? I have that on my to read list :)
He wrote that one with Ken Jordan,and it is not altered states related(I think),so you might have missed it.
For whatever reason, I'm more willing to trust in the likely fictional entities people meet using psychedelics rather than the likely fictional entities people meet using mediums.
Haha,I totally agree ;D It is disturbing to read about this girl laying on a couch in deep hypnosis,and then suddenly an entity is using her as a voicebox.There are probably thousands of horror movies based on this,and that doesn`t help their case either :)
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Does that include "what comes after money"? I have that on my to read list :)
He wrote that one with Ken Jordan,and it is not altered states related(I think),so you might have missed it.
I've read many of the essays individually that contributed to the book. Charles Eisenstein is another interesting member of that cabal to pay attention to.
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I actually came across a book that is similar in certain aspects,it is called"A Psychonaut's Guide to the Invisible Landscape" by Dan Carpenter.He used psychedelics to communicate with so called entities,and he too killed himself.
I looked this up and according to his mother the issue was depression. Doesn't seem like the entities were involved.
I've only just skimmed notes on his work, but it seems like there's acknowledgement that he's perhaps traveling through "inner space" rather than some alternate dimension.
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Ah, his mom believes the drug DXM affected his mind and pushed him back into alcoholism and depression:
...Dan believed that everything he experienced under the DXM trips was real but whether it was truth or simply his brain responding to large amounts of DXM, I don’t know. I do believe that all of those trips in fact damaged his brain to the extent that he began drinking again. His searching by the use of DXM was so detrimental to his mental health that he slid into despair. It certainly wasn’t worth the search. I don’t have my son anymore, and I miss him terribly. My only hope now is that people who read these types of books DON’T try it.
I'm not going to outright discount the alternate realities angle, but it seems to me that a lot of drugs and shamanic healing involving visions offers you a user interface with which to interact with your own subconscious.
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I looked this up and according to his mother the issue was depression. Doesn't seem like the entities were involved.
Yeah,that makes sense.He did talk about his meetings with "agents" during trips though,and he became obsessed with seeking answers.
I've only just skimmed notes on his work, but it seems like there's acknowledgement that he's perhaps traveling through "inner space" rather than some alternate dimension.
Those two might be representations of the same place,the subconscious?
I'm not going to outright discount the alternate realities angle, but it seems to me that a lot of drugs and shamanic healing involving visions offers you a user interface with which to interact with your own subconscious.
I do think,as I mentioned above,that it makes more sense that you travel through your own subconscious.
Back to the ghosts now ;D I am halfway through now,and this guy is throwing so much anecdotal "evidence" that you end up dizzy.
A new twist(for me at least) is that these entities are deliberately fucking with you.They lie and provide you with false information
about their previous lives as a earthbound.To me this sounds like excuses for all the times these cases are proven to be factually
wrong.
You mentioned that you wrote a paper on this subject right? what is your take on that?
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Sorry about the terrible structure on the last part of my post by the way,don`t know how that happened ;D
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You mentioned that you wrote a paper on this subject right? what is your take on that?
I should note that this was an undergrad paper, I forget we have a lot of formal academics here!
Well I wrote a paper on the concept of possession, not specifically related to mediums. My focus was more possession in Voodoo rituals, but I looked at possession in other cultures as well.
A lot of it seemed to be an altered state induced by stress. A good example would be Indian women in older times being possessed by ghosts on the eve of an arranged marriage, seeing as this meant possibly leaving family for another town and uncertain circumstances.
Similarly, possession seemed to be higher among those who were subjugated by factors like gender or financial status.
I couldn't 100% rule out the supernatural [which strikes me as proving a negative], but at the same time I didn't come across anything that suggested spirits offered verifiable information.
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I should note that this was an undergrad paper, I forget we have a lot of formal academics here!
Lol :) You will eventually be busted on this forum indeed ;D
I couldn't 100% rule out the supernatural [which strikes me as proving a negative], but at the same time I didn't come across anything that suggested spirits offered verifiable information.
The author in this book has many examples of verifiable information provided by these "guides".One guide claimed that his next incarnation would take place at a certain date at a certain time with a certain name.Three years later the author finds out that the name was correct,the date was correct,but missed by 30 miles on the birthplace.He then tried to get in touch with this "guide"(now a 2 year old boy),but his parents would not cooperate ;D Think on that for awhile.Someone calls you to tell you that he has talked to your son before he was born through this medium,and he wonders if he can meet him to find out if this "guide" is still around cloaked in a new incarnation as this little kid ;D That is just hilarious.
I don`t think I will finish the book,I just can`t take the information provided very seriously.It is like reading a weird novel,but in this
case it is supposed to be actual events :)
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Bit sad the information provided by the guides is so unverifiable. Then again, probably a relief for me as I can feel better it's not real. ;)
I'm tempted to read it myself, just to get a sense of the standard of evidence that some proponents of the paranormal hold....but seems like I'd be better off spending my money on an actual work of fiction...
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I'm tempted to read it myself, just to get a sense of the standard of evidence that some proponents of the paranormal hold....but seems like I'd be better off spending my money on an actual work of fiction...
By all means the anecdotes portrayed are interesting,and the author is passionate,so you might enjoy it.I did........for awhile :D
I read some of your short stories,and the one about the rat(nr 8?) was fantastic ;) That one did something to me.Just thought I should mention it,since we all love some positive feedback :)
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I read some of your short stories,and the one about the rat(nr 8?) was fantastic ;) That one did something to me.Just thought I should mention it,since we all love some positive feedback :)
Thanks!
I've been poking around for some more credible research on the "encounter entities while tripping" phenomenon, but I don't think there's much out there.
I was actually invited to an ayahuasca ceremony, but at the moment I'm wary of subjecting myself to mind altering drugs of such potency.
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I do not think you will find much credible info there,but Terence Mckenna does have plenty of interesting anecdotes.
I think it would be very interesting to participate in such a ceremony,have heard lots of interesting things about this.
It has changed lots of people for the better,but it can also scare you shitless :)
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I'd love to participate in some of those ceremonies.
Regarding the earlier posts, DXM is a fucking weird drug man. I honestly think it might have some chemical properties that could be important to understanding aspects of the brain as related to its perception of time. I haven't done DXM since my senior year of high school (actually the summer before it to be specific, over which we did it maybe three or four times?). At first we were downing bottles of liquid robitussin, which was horrible and has forever made me want to vomit at even the slightest scent of robitussin. The last time we did it though, we discovered the gel capsules. This allowed us to take a pretty big dose (can't remember exactly, but we're talking handfuls). I know that sounds horribly dangerous, but my friend and I (who's still basically my best friend) we're actually really damn cautious about these kind of "experiments", measuring out dosages as exactly as we could, accounting for active/inactive ingredients, etc. We researched shit pretty intensely before ingesting (I'm also eternally grateful to erowid.com).
Anyway that last DXM trip was probably the craziest drug trip of my life, period. I've done shrooms, salvia, and LSD (though I've never really had a "good" batch of the latter), and nothing compared to DXM. The reason I brought up time is because, even on salvia, I've never experienced the strange perception of time that I did on DXM. I mean my salvia trips lasted ten to twenty minutes and felt like hours or more, but DXM was very unique. There was some dilation of experience (I was watching Animal Planet and a commercial break seemed to last forever), but more than that...and strangely, given that time was stretched within the second-to-second moment...I felt as though I suddenly comprehended how hilariously short the human idea of time is. Like, I was remembering back to my childhood, and the distance from the "now" back to then felt like nothing, less than nothing. Then I started to think about history (at this point I was in the shower, don't ask) and I genuinely felt one of the strongest...I don't know, "revelations", of my life. It was like imagining the history of humanity extending back through the time, and it seemed to go further and further, and yet I was simultaneously realizing how incredibly short that timespan was.
It was also during this same experience that I felt as though I first truly comprehended "life" (and thus humanity) as a sort of expression of chemistry and physics rather than some special thing beyond that. Don't really know how to explain it, since it wasn't really a "oneness" with nature/the universe as some describe, but more like myself being removed from my own human viewpoint and viewing life/humanity as it really is, which in-turn allowed to me comprehend the incredible brevity of our existence, and also our own inextricability from it, rather than being somehow removed (as I think our brains are naturally wired to make us feel, since it's more "comfortable").
Of course, I'm also an extremely skeptical person, and I've felt plenty of crazy, revelational things on various drugs that I've later mostly attributed to the fact that I was, you know, tripping balls, but that DXM one always stuck with me, if only because I've been able to continuously view the same concepts through a more rigorous (and sober) lens and see them remain, as opposed to me being on shrooms and looking at a lamp being like "oh fuck, the light, it's...bright! That's why people believe in angels!" (yes, that "revelation" actually occurred to me).
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That sounds pretty interesting Francis :) I have not heard of DMX until now.
Of course, I'm also an extremely skeptical person, and I've felt plenty of crazy, revelational things on various drugs that I've later mostly attributed to the fact that I was, you know, tripping balls, but that DXM one always stuck with me, if only because I've been able to continuously view the same concepts through a more rigorous (and sober) lens and see them remain, as opposed to me being on shrooms and looking at a lamp being like "oh fuck, the light, it's...bright! That's why people believe in angels!" (yes, that "revelation" actually occurred to me).
If you do shrooms alone,and take pretty much,amazing stuff can happen.You can have a dialogue with "it",travel to other "dimensions" often with fantasy like settings.The world you are in is there whether you have your eyes open or shut,which was creepy at first :)
I had many bad experiences with shrooms,mainly because I did them at parties,or when gaming,watching television and so on.After I encountered Mckenna,I learned that psychedelics should be done according to certain rituals to maximize the experience.It works,the experience was totally different when I removed certain distractions.
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Sounds like we had a similar upbringing, FB.
Our experience of time is nuanced, to say the least. There's a fair bit of literature.
Sorry, not at all doing your post justice but I thought I'd pop in with a time-perception comment. We certainly seem to have the capability of processing much more information, quicker, than we do on a regular basis.
And, Royce, DXM ;), not DMX.
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And, Royce, DXM ;), not DMX.
Lol,I stand corrected :)
It was also during this same experience that I felt as though I first truly comprehended "life" (and thus humanity) as a sort of expression of chemistry and physics rather than some special thing beyond that. Don't really know how to explain it, since it wasn't really a "oneness" with nature/the universe as some describe, but more like myself being removed from my own human viewpoint and viewing life/humanity as it really is, which in-turn allowed to me comprehend the incredible brevity of our existence, and also our own inextricability from it, rather than being somehow removed (as I think our brains are naturally wired to make us feel, since it's more "comfortable").
It really is a shame that it is so hard to explain these experiences with language.To me it is like trying to describe the meaning of a dream to someone,it just ends up being empty words to anyone but yourself.Maybe these experiences are for you and you alone,since(to me at least) they are almost impossible to describe with words.Or maybe I have not tried the right drugs yet ;)
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If you do shrooms alone,and take pretty much,amazing stuff can happen.You can have a dialogue with "it",travel to other "dimensions" often with fantasy like settings.The world you are in is there whether you have your eyes open or shut,which was creepy at first :)
I had many bad experiences with shrooms,mainly because I did them at parties,or when gaming,watching television and so on.After I encountered Mckenna,I learned that psychedelics should be done according to certain rituals to maximize the experience.It works,the experience was totally different when I removed certain distractions.
It's funny, I was so excited to take shrooms the first time because I always expected to have a really interesting, introspective experience (which happens to me on basically every other psychedelic, sometimes to the point of discomfort), but every time I've done shrooms it has always been a really..."external" high, if that makes sense. Like I basically just feel great and crack up at the slightest thing, and mostly just kinda revel in the surface level effects of it. I've never tried it completely alone though, so that might have an effect. Shrooms are damn fun though. Something I distinctly remember from several trips was that, even though I was totally tripping and would literally descend into uncontrollable fits of laughter at basically nothing, there was always still sort of a kernel of "sobriety" in the center of my mind. Like, I knew I was tripping, and that I was laughing at completely stupid shit, but I couldn't control it. Always found that interesting, because it didn't happen with my DXM or salvia trips, though it did with acid (although like I said I've never had an especially great acid trip, I got burned several times on fake stuff that I assume was literally just a piece of paper, and then the few real ones I had basically felt like a mild shroom high with slightly more intense visuals). I mean, on my one acid trip I looked in the mirror and saw my own face zombify, and then I was outside and the asphalt looked like a moving bed of insects, both which seem like typical "freak the fuck out" instigators, but neither of them bothered me at all because I still knew I was tripping and I never thought it was "real" or anything.
I still wish to someday try DMT. I could never find it back in my "hey-day" of experimenting.
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Lol,I have had lots of similar experiences with shrooms.Laughing hard at nothing for hours,and I was seriously afraid of becoming the joker(in batman) constantly smiling.My jaw aching like hell the next day,was also common:).To me this only happened during small doses though,or at the beginning of a bigger trip,like in the first two hours or so.Eventually I drifted away to far away places.