But would the Cishaurim allow him to advance in rank without having been blinded?

He seems to have accessed the Psuhke well before meeting Kellhus also, in sending the dreams, and in his meeting with Xerius.  Not to mention his seeming involvement in the assassination-by-teleportation.  Could he have done with while sighted?

Do we actually see Meppa's arms to know whether they are scarred or not?

There is of course the possibility that Moe didn't transfer into Cnaüir's body, but rather, somehow used him to transfer to another person.

Quote from: H on December 21, 2015, 11:30:28 am

I'll buy what Locke is selling, for the most part.  I'm definitely on board with him finding only what Maithanet wanted him to find.

I don't think Maithanet and Moe could have planned for the Consult killing him, but it happened and the end result is nearly the same.

As for the Simas agent, if we follow this along as Moe created, then was this possibly the first attempt, or an proof of concept for soul-transfer, a la, Meppa?

I was thinking the same thing. Last night I re-read the scene between Moe and Kellhus. And you know what? I think so. I've always been a fervent believer that Moe+Cnaüir=Meppa. And so much in that exchange points to Kellhus being duped yet again. The skull, Kellhus specifically saying that yes he is on conditioned ground. The skull, it all goes back to that for me. Its the point, even his exchange right before the kick, is where Kellhus is simply being played. Indeed 30 years Moe has had to condition this exchange. I don't want to go on to much more about this, but I have some new thoughts on this. Passion is what Moe was lacking, correct? He needed Kellhus just as much as he needed Cnaüir.

The one thing that I think he might not have planned for is the chorae though, since he wouldn't, presumable been able to handle one/have access to one, which leads to my main question being, was the transfer complete?

No, I took it as specifically Akka was the first Mandati to see a Skin-Spy true face. Chigra is just what they call all Mandate schoolmen.

Ah, yes, that would make more sense...more sleep, I need it.

Quote from: H on December 17, 2015, 12:23:17 pm

Well, the glamour already had her totally ensorcelled, it would seem to me that it wouldn't take much to disguise a small cant as a slap.

Then again, maybe we are missing something simple, like the man being a skin-spy and the Synthese simply being present to interrogate her.

I think I mentioned that as a possibility in the last reread when I broke down all the possibilities.  This one works because it explains the coin and seed. On the other hand, esme does not encounter black seed whilst sarcellus paramour. And black seed would be a way to easily out a spy, so it would be a serious design flaw.

Right, no, I didn't mean to imply that she had sex with the Sarcellus agent, only that he could have been present while the Sythese got it's groove on.

I'll buy what Locke is selling, for the most part.  I'm definitely on board with him finding only what Maithanet wanted him to find.

I don't think Maithanet and Moe could have planned for the Consult killing him, but it happened and the end result is nearly the same.

As for the Simas agent, if we follow this along as Moe created, then was this possibly the first attempt, or an proof of concept for soul-transfer, a la, Meppa?

not sure if this one has been floated...maybe the No-God is some resurrected version of Celmomas?  he is driven made with grief because of all that he has lost, esp his son.  the Carapace is what augments and channels Celmomas' peculiar brand of sorrow which is on the just-right wavelength to shut the heavens.  Mog's journey across Earwa is a doomed attempt to find his son?  Bakker puts so much about fathers and sons in TSA, that's what got me thinking about it.  it would be especially painful for Seswatha if his end goal is to murder his best friend.

if the No-God is in fact an ancient person, i wonder if we will get to read a conversation between the new No-God and Seswatha.  maybe Ses will speak through Akka or Serwa.  it would be a cool way for Bakker to do a big info reveal

Well, the trouble with that theory is that The No-God is already risen before Celmomas is dead.

If it's someone, it's probably  Nau-Cayûti, since the timelines match.

We are a bit ahead. Next week is for part 5, and the week after that is TWP, which we never fully decided how to break it down...

Yeah, I just figured I'd get the ball rolling in case anyone was feeling ambitious and wanted to get ahead a bit maybe.