[ThoughtsOfThelli]

These don't really fit into the Errata (one of these is probably a retcon) so here are two little nitpicky things that I noticed:

-Proyas' father's name seems to have changed, he is referred to as Onoyas in this book while before he was Eukernas II (admittedly, I had to look it up because I only knew it was different and didn't recall the actual previous name). Was this a retcon?

-Mimara's pregnancy only seems to have lasted for 6 months. I know, I know, I'm being annoying about timelines and dates again, but hear me out. When I first read TAE, I was wondering when Mimara would give birth (trying to figure out the length of time TUC would span). The chapter where she and Achamian have sex has a date of early spring, 4132. She ends up giving birth in early autumn of the same year.
You might say we don't know if seasons in Eärwa last 3 months, but...in PON, Serwë got pregnant in the spring of 4111 and gave birth in winter of that year, thus it would seem seasons do indeed last ~3 months in Eärwa.
So either this is a timeline mistake (future retcon?) or that baby really lucked out in being continuously exposed to qirri while in the womb and came out with the development a full-term baby would have. (Or, crackpot thought, Akka really isn't the father after all.)

[Wilshire]

There are plenty of worse mistakes, not sure why you'd feel bad pointing them out.

As for Proyas, sounds like a pretty bad error.

Mimara, you bring up a lot of viable possibilities. First, I'd like to point out there were timeline issues in TGO, and this might have partially contributed to this weird 6 month pregnancy. But otherwise, my it-was-done-on-purpose explanation is qirri. Its a hell of a drug. That child will be all kinds of messed up.

So for me, the reality is that its likely a timeline mistake, but I'm happy to hand-waive it with qirri, and the father being someone else is fun for speculation .

[ThoughtsOfThelli]

There are plenty of worse mistakes, not sure why you'd feel bad pointing them out.

As for Proyas, sounds like a pretty bad error.

Mimara, you bring up a lot of viable possibilities. First, I'd like to point out there were timeline issues in TGO, and this might have partially contributed to this weird 6 month pregnancy. But otherwise, my it-was-done-on-purpose explanation is qirri. Its a hell of a drug. That child will be all kinds of messed up.

So for me, the reality is that its likely a timeline mistake, but I'm happy to hand-waive it with qirri, and the father being someone else is fun for speculation .

It's not like I feel bad exactly, I just figured me pointing out ages/timeline inconsistencies could get annoying quickly.

Proyas' father seems like it's going to end up as a retcon, his mother was also named in this book but I don't remember her being named before, so it's not as glaring.

Qirri is probably the only valid in-world explanation if Bakker intended for Mimara's pregnancy to only last 6 months, who knows what effects it could have on a developing fetus? And now I also wonder if the other twin's stillbirth might have something to do with the effects of qirri as well. Probably not, though, since there are other explanations (No-God, or the whole "women with the Judging Eye give birth to stillborn children" thing).

I know this will never be the case, but I would laugh so hard if we got to the next series and Mimara's son just happened to be the spitting image of Imhailas.

[H]

At one point, doesn't Mimara remark that it is indeed "too early" for the baby to be coming?

[Heavenfall]

Someone does, I thought it was Achiaman. Also even though Mimara was sold to pimps at an early age and has some specific knowledge in certain areas, is it possible that she just got the time of impregnation wrong?

[ThoughtsOfThelli]

At one point, doesn't Mimara remark that it is indeed "too early" for the baby to be coming?

Someone does, I thought it was Achiaman.

Yes, but we don't know exactly how early she thought it was - if they knew that the babies were coming three months or so earlier than expected, then there would have never have been a chance of them surviving outside the womb for long (not without modern medicine), so I expect they'd be much more dismayed by having Mimara go into labour right then and more surprised when the first twin was born apparently healthy.

Also even though Mimara was sold to pimps at an early age and has some specific knowledge in certain areas, is it possible that she just got the time of impregnation wrong?

It's possible that she was further along than she thought she was, but three months seems too big a difference. (That would, however, lend credence to the theory that Akka wasn't the father...)

[Walter]

I've had the 'not Akka's baby' thought a couple of times.  Imhailas seems like the obvious other possibility.

[ThoughtsOfThelli]

I've had the 'not Akka's baby' thought a couple of times.  Imhailas seems like the obvious other possibility.

Amusingly enough, Mimara thinks that Akka was really the only option as to the father of her unborn children was after she first learned she was pregnant. However, I went back and looked - in TJE Mimara is said to have left the Andiamine Heights three months before meeting up with Akka. Which means that the dates would match for a normal 9-month pregnancy if Imhailas was the father.

[MSJ]

At one point, doesn't Mimara remark that it is indeed "too early" for the baby to be coming?

Welll, Qirri and traveliing the whole of Earwa might have a little to do with a premature birth...

[Heavenfall]

I've had the 'not Akka's baby' thought a couple of times.  Imhailas seems like the obvious other possibility.

Amusingly enough, Mimara thinks that Akka was really the only option as to the father of her unborn children was after she first learned she was pregnant. However, I went back and looked - in TJE Mimara is said to have left the Andiamine Heights three months before meeting up with Akka. Which means that the dates would match for a normal 9-month pregnancy if Imhailas was the father.

Now we're cooking! But why do you think specifically Imhailas? I can't remember any interaction between them.

[ThoughtsOfThelli]

Now we're cooking! But why do you think specifically Imhailas? I can't remember any interaction between them.

Well, we have this from WLW:

There are only three occasions she can think of that would make the accursed creature true. There was the darling body-slave -little more than a boy- who attended to her ledgers before her flight. As absurd as it is, she owns estates across the Three Seas -as does everyone in the Imperial Family. There was Imhailas, the vain Captain of the Eöthic guard, who helped her escape in exchange for a taste of her peach.

Of course, could still be the slave, but Imhailas is a more interesting possibility, especially given that, like Akka, he was Esmenet's lover at some point.

[Simas Polchias]

Nersei Eukernas II: Father of Nersei Proyas and King of Conriya.
Nersei Onoyas II: King of Conriya who first forged the alliance between the School of Mandate and House Nersei.
Nersei Proyas: The Crown Prince of Conriya.

[ThoughtsOfThelli]

Nersei Eukernas II: Father of Nersei Proyas and King of Conriya.
Nersei Onoyas II: King of Conriya who first forged the alliance between the School of Mandate and House Nersei.
Nersei Proyas: The Crown Prince of Conriya.

Yes, that's the information we had from before, but on page 186 (TUC paperback):

Not so high above, the bound form of Proyas, blessed son of Queen Thaila and King Onoyas, swayed on slow revolution...

There's another mention of Proyas' father as Onoyas in TUC, but I can't find it right now.

[Hiro]

Nersei Eukernas II: Father of Nersei Proyas and King of Conriya.
Nersei Onoyas II: King of Conriya who first forged the alliance between the School of Mandate and House Nersei.
Nersei Proyas: The Crown Prince of Conriya.

Yes, that's the information we had from before, but on page 186 (TUC paperback):

Not so high above, the bound form of Proyas, blessed son of Queen Thaila and King Onoyas, swayed on slow revolution...

There's another mention of Proyas' father as Onoyas in TUC, but I can't find it right now.

The other mention, when Proyas is hanging, page 178 (ebook):

On his deathbed, proud Onoyas had called for his son knowing he would not come ... And yes, even hoping ... Because it mattered not at all, what a life makes of a soul.

[ThoughtsOfThelli]

The other mention, when Proyas is hanging, page 178 (ebook):

On his deathbed, proud Onoyas had called for his son knowing he would not come ... And yes, even hoping ... Because it mattered not at all, what a life makes of a soul.

Thank you, I knew it was there somewhere.

So, yes, Proyas' father's name does seem to have been retconned to Onoyas (unless it's later stated to be a mistake). There is no entry for him in the TUC glossary either as Eukernas or as Onoyas (only the historical Onoyas is there) so it's still unclear.