[mrganondorf]

At this point it could go either way. Which is interesting because that is one of the main issues in interpreting Plato's Republic because it allows for both gender equality or gender subordination...

And then based on Dune:

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Bakker could riff off any of the Bene Gesserit, Honoured Matres, or axolotl tanks (broodmare scenario). Personally, I'm hoping for the Dunyain/Bene Gesserit/Philosopher-Queen scenario.

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Twist: There are no Dunyain women, they harvested from some kind of gross tree with babies growing in liquid filled sacks.

[Aural]

Perhaps Ishuäl birthed the Dûnyain the way the Ark birthed the Inchoroi.

[Wilshire]

Perhaps Ishuäl birthed the Dûnyain the way the Ark birthed the Inchoroi.

At that point, why don't we just say that Ishual/Thousand Thousand Halls IS the Ark, and the Horns broke off and landed farther north than the rest of the ship.

The Dunyain are a forgotten weapon race, which is why the Inchoroi twins are so obsessed with finding them.

At this point it could go either way. Which is interesting because that is one of the main issues in interpreting Plato's Republic because it allows for both gender equality or gender subordination...

And then based on Dune:

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Bakker could riff off any of the Bene Gesserit, Honoured Matres, or axolotl tanks (broodmare scenario). Personally, I'm hoping for the Dunyain/Bene Gesserit/Philosopher-Queen scenario.

Twist: There are no Dunyain women, they harvested from some kind of gross tree with babies growing in liquid filled sacks.
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You should check out that thread . Note that we have never seen a Dunyain woman. Say no more due to spoilers, there are those here that have began the Dune saga and have not yet finished.

[Madness]

You should check out that thread .

Agreed.

[mrganondorf]

Suspicions of nonmen blood in Dunyain stock + Su-Joroit is the only person to use a second inutteral before Kellhus + Kellhus uses a second inutteral =

Kellhus is a descendant of Su-Joroit?

[Wilshire]

Kellhus is a descendant of Su-Joroit?

Possibly. Your logic makes some sense. Do we know much about Su-Joroit other than that one anecdote? Maybe he conceived a child...

[mrganondorf]

Kellhus is a descendant of Su-Joroit?

Possibly. Your logic makes some sense. Do we know much about Su-Joroit other than that one anecdote? Maybe he conceived a child...

I don't know anything else about SJ and I think that his (her?) character is largely unimportant.  My best guess is that SJ's whole purpose is to communicate to the reader, in a round about way, that the idea of a 2nd inutterral is possible to Kellhus.  Kellhus asks about the 2nd inutteral and reads the denial in Akka's face that it is theoretically possible.  But maybe SJ is something cool, some kind of uber-darkness that comes before!

[Madness]

Truth - except that we're maniacs who demand to know the intricacies of Nonman socioculture .

[mrganondorf]

Truth - except that we're maniacs who demand to know the intricacies of Nonman socioculture .

I just wish I had more money to commission as much work from Bakker as possible!  If I win the lotto maybe a few million could get a multivolume Nonman work. 

[Madness]

We should figure out how to crowdfund Atrocity Tales... (if that compares to the money he might get from a publisher if there was more interest, I haven't thought to crunch any numbers). It's a tough situation, you never know if a crowd is going to support you. But then success like that happens as one lest expect it.

[mrganondorf]

Perhaps Ishuäl birthed the Dûnyain the way the Ark birthed the Inchoroi.

I wonder what skipping normal birth does for a person's relation to Yatwer?