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The Unholy Consult / Re: Why would the Inchoroi fear damnation?
« on: May 04, 2020, 08:56:54 pm »
It crosses my mind that the Ark is simply a vessel, controlled by an advanced AI, which requires a guidance system/OS (Sarcophagus with an Insertant), and every Inchoroi etc. is actually a biomech machine, soulless from the beginning. The Progenitors deceived the Inchoroi with the Inverse Fire as a goad to carry out their orders, by showing the truth of damnation - however this damnation was only applicable to the Progenitors, NOT the Inchoroi, that are like upgraded Sranc and subject to the NG themselves upon Initiation/Resumption.

I think this is very likely succinct, stuslayer :). Though, Somnambulist has always made me wonder if Shauriatas has somehow managed to co-opt "the AI" and the Mutilated with some soultech sorcery combo.

Literature / Re: Yearly Reading Targets 2020
« on: March 19, 2020, 01:08:31 pm »
The Legend of Bagger Vance - Steven Pressfield (3)

Very impressed by it but I think that's mostly because I was once hit and miss with perennial philosophy and I've resumed being an avid and terrible golfer in the past half decade. I've been convinced in the past two years that everyone needs to find and read at least a handful of Pressfield's books in their lifetimes though, even if I don't necessarily agree with his underlying esoterics.

General Misc. / Re: Quotes
« on: March 12, 2020, 01:39:14 pm »
Don't trust our search function, sci. Also, I searched "Italo Calvino" who has apparently come up a number of times on the forum. Interesting.

Literature / Re: Yearly Reading Targets 2020
« on: March 11, 2020, 04:48:47 pm »

Surprise, Kill, Vanish - Annie Jacobsen (2)

Finally, I can report actually finishing a second book :).

I like reading about history fairly indiscriminately so I liked it. Mildly biased but no more than a few moments that were really off-putting. I'm told Jacobsen is a journalist before a historian but the research and writing training really should trend toward similarly unbiased either way.

I'm just glad I'm through it so I can move on to finishing other previously started books (this year*, as I won't count finishing ones I started before the New Year) - this one was really getting in the way given the attentional constraints around here.

Just continue this thread, if we need to move it or retitle it, we'll do so.

Infrequency is not criminal here ;). Come and go as you please.

General Q&A / Re: [PoN SPOILERS] Why are the Dunyain stronger and faster?
« on: February 27, 2020, 08:06:50 pm »
The quote from Ch.17 was the one I was thinking of, thank you.

General Q&A / Re: [PoN SPOILERS] Why are the Dunyain stronger and faster?
« on: February 27, 2020, 07:55:31 pm »
I'll have to look, I'm almost positive Kellhus' reminisces in TDTCB about the training in the ways of limb and face.

EDIT: Oh, yes, that quote. Right. Still, what I wrote above.

General Q&A / Re: [PoN SPOILERS] Why are the Dunyain stronger and faster?
« on: February 27, 2020, 07:48:42 pm »
I can't find the quote - and can't dig up my books at the moment - but every wiki (and -adjacent) description on the interwebs uses:

"[T]he Dûnyain have concealed themselves, breeding for reflex and intellect, and continually training in the ways of limb, thought, and face—all for the sake of reason, the sacred Logos."

EDIT: The latter half of that is almost certainly a direct quote from TDTCB. Also, my bold.

EDIT/EDIT: Unless it's a quote by Cnaiur in TTT to Achamian but I feel like this is a quote from TDTCB from Kellhus' POV.

General Misc. / Re: Strings
« on: February 26, 2020, 12:46:01 pm »
Perhaps, to rephrase for TH (and others), how do you "experience" "your" "selves" in terms of his poll? "" for all the other words I might substitute in but feel might unnecessarily muddy the conversation for those not practicing academic level philosophy.

Sorry, me, for the double post but...

On topic, Bakker does write with a healthy selection of botany books within reach and I have it from more than a few readers (some I know personally with degrees in forestry) that Bakker's tree knowledge is on point.

Lol. Oh, you guys.

I actually had suggested to him scrap the longstanding intention entirely and go with The Years of the Crib as the third series name but, obviously, he didn't go for it ;).

I honestly think that he thought readers wouldn't expect (and he was borne out on this somewhat) that the No-God would actually rise again in the novels.

Plus he's mentioned to me since "revealing" The No-God title that he didn't want readers going through the preceding novels expecting Kellhus' to become the No-God (given that the third series title breaks the convention of series titles).

Various mentions from Cu'jara Cinmoi on ZTS. There are others I recall but the search features are on ZTS are... difficult to navigate.

- The Series That Comes After?:

Quote from: Cu'jara Cinmoi
The Aspect-Emperor, another trilogy which returns to the demented cast (those that survive, that is) of PON some twenty years later. More than a few people groan when I say this, which is why I always feel the need to explain myself! First, I conceived and roughed out the greater cycle of stories (as a trilogy of trilogies) the year before WoT came out, so this is most definitely not a case of me slavishly following commercial precedents. This means, secondly, that every book in the series is motivated by STORY, and not money (if there is any in this business!) Third, PON is a complete tale, and not merely the first third of one. The relationship of AE to PON is more akin to the relationship between the Dune books, though the narrative arc that binds them - the story of the Second Apocalypse - is, I like to think, less ad hoc than Herbert's.

As strange as it sounds, I look at PON as my version of The Hobbit.

- Scott, tell me this won't be your excuse for delaying TTT ;):

Quote from: Cu'jara Cinmoi
I have outlines that sketch the entire story of the Second Apocalypse, starting with The Aspect-Emperor and ending with a third. Whether these will turn into trilogies like The Prince of Nothing remains to be seen. They could be dualogies.

- A few questions . . .:

Quote from: Cu'jara Cinmoi
The original plan was to write The Second Apocalypse (am I weird for loving that title as much as I do?) as a trilogy. Since the first installment, The Prince of Nothing turned into a trilogy in itself, I'm assuming the same thing will happen with the sequels.

Literature / Re: Yearly Reading Targets 2020
« on: January 09, 2020, 04:00:10 pm »
On a fucking phone, man! :(

Trending toward Seppuku.

Literature / Re: Yearly Reading Targets 2020
« on: January 09, 2020, 02:48:28 pm »
Blade of Tyshalle - Matthew Stover (1)

Honestly... this took me for a ride, though I don't think it impacted me quite as much as reading Heroes Die. Stover is an inventive fuck regarding the narrative, I'll give him that. I'm super disappointed to learn about some of his stylistic choices regarding the third and the fourth books in the series - I'm thinking I have a Hyperion/Endymion situation on my hands so I'm going to hold off on rushing into Caine Black Knife. Definitely, as well as per the Hyperion comparison, would recommend that any Bakker fan read at least Heroes Die and Blade of Tyshalle as a duology.

Also, the first book I've ever read on a fucking phone ;).

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