[Madness]

My finger searches for the pulse in odd places and so it was just recently I realized that people are actually worried about nuclear apocalypse.

I happen to think that Trump and the subsequent requisite media popularization of the words by the POTUS is more likely to prompt conflict than Kim - who probably would if he could but he can't. It seems likely that no matter which demagogue - in this instance, Trump - instigates Kim, North Korea is still steadily (kind of?) progressing towards nuclear capabilities.

Thoughts, SA noosphere?

[Wilshire]

Unfortunately I think the response to being attacked is to retaliate, justified either preemptively or post-event.

I think in the grand scheme of apocalypse, the US comes out pretty well against NK. Mostly because they have fewer nukes than we have surface area. OTOH, the US has enough nukes to turn that entire country into glass and poison that entire countryside for forever.

But who knows. Maybe NK's allies, mainly China, decides they've had enough of that BS and they fire off too, in which case the world explodes and life recedes back into the seas until the radiation cools down ... or we just become Venus' twin.


At any rate, the media won't slow things down and bring to the table level-headed conversation. We seem to be operating at a pre-scientific level of thought, where emotions and 'feelings' are how we have decided to observe the world. Maybe if we could all just go back to the dark ages for a few millennium (with the help of Little Boy and his friends), things would come out better next time around .

[Woden]

The WWIV is not nuclear, and it is happening right now, in our very fucking countries.
Today at least 13 dead people in a terrorist attack in Barcelona, in a place where I've been lots of times and was bursting with tourists.
Sad. And we will not do anything to stop this fucking madness.

[Wilshire]

I seem to have missed WW3 and WW4. Could you explain that a bit further?

And, sorry, but I don't think terrorism counts as a World War. Not to say it doesn't have an impact on events, in your country or others, but its not a world war.

[Woden]

I seem to have missed WW3 and WW4. Could you explain that a bit further?

And, sorry, but I don't think terrorism counts as a World War.

WWIII is the Cold War for me.

We are actually in WWIV. Not an open traditional conflict, but a fucking war after all.
It is a war. And it has been for centuries, guerrilla is not war? Yes, it is. And terrorism is a elaborate lowcost form of guerrilla.

[Madness]

At any rate, the media won't slow things down and bring to the table level-headed conversation. We seem to be operating at a pre-scientific level of thought, where emotions and 'feelings' are how we have decided to observe the world. Maybe if we could all just go back to the dark ages for a few millennium (with the help of Little Boy and his friends), things would come out better next time around .

Lol, yeah, I tried to couch that sentiment the introductory sentences. It's a series of bureaucratic biases... POTUS isn't another celebrity whom they can ignore. Heaven forfend that the President of the fucking United States do something that isn't captured on video - and I don't mean this sarcastically, journalism would have no claim to the Fourth Estate otherwise, apt though ignoring him might be.

The WWIV is not nuclear, and it is happening right now, in our very fucking countries.
Today at least 13 dead people in a terrorist attack in Barcelona, in a place where I've been lots of times and was bursting with tourists.
Sad. And we will not do anything to stop this fucking madness.

Lol, Woden. I'm glad we're beginning to oscillate together.

I specifically considered WWW III/IV as the thread title and named it as I did for that consideration. I'd love to dissect the current worldwide conflicts with you, just not here .

[Woden]

Sorry, I didn't know where to post this.
I am in fucking shock now. I have friends in that city, friends that live and work in the area of the attack. The videos of the attack are brutal. Sorry if I am too vehement about the matter but I am tired of this shit. I needed to share it with somebody, my apologies.

[Madness]

Sorry, I didn't know where to post this.
I am in fucking shock now. I have friends in that city, friends that live and work in the area of the attack. The videos of the attack are brutal. Sorry if I am too vehement about the matter but I am tired of this shit. I needed to share it with somebody, my apologies.

I'll even make the thread for you, friend. I've known far too many people personally in my life that have experienced atrocity firsthand. It probably contributed to my adult intensity.

[Madness]

Also, which attack are you talking about?

[Wilshire]

Hey don't apologize. That's some serious shit. I was in about 4th grade when US had a major terrorist attack and I still remember how stunned people were.

I won't pretend like I can relate to whats happening, butI am very sorry you live so close to it.

[Woden]

Also, which attack are you talking about?

This one:

https://elpais.com/ccaa/2017/08/17/catalunya/1502982885_564462.html

I will seach for international news about it. Here:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40965581

Hopefully my friends are all well.
I don't live there, I live in the island of Mallorca (another spanish state so to say), but I've been in Barcelona many many times and I know pretty well the area of the attack. It could be far very worse. Lot of people there 24/7.

[Madness]

Barcelona.

That's why I asked.

This trending use of vehicles as weapons is disturbing.

[Woden]

Barcelona.

That's why I asked.

This trending use of vehicles as weapons is disturbing.

Here in Spain we had our share of terrorism - al least since I was born (ETA, etc).
But this kind of attack is specially sick.
It requires almost nothing, just a vehicle. It is cheap. And it is almost impossible of avoiding it.
The terrorists chose this street because is one of the main streets of Barcelona, it is always full of people, thousands walking there at every hour.
I'm afraid that we will see more attacks like this in Europe. Fucking sad.

Edited: it seems that at least one of the bastards is already arrested.
And the other one has been killed by the cops - good job.

The IS has claimed the attack.

[H]

Thoughts, SA noosphere?

Very little more than brinksmanship, really.  The NK nuclear program is designed to have the powers that be stay in power.  Actually getting into a war is the literal end of that regime.  So, they have to pretend to be willing to get into a war, but never actually ever fight one.

You win 100% of the fights you never get into.  That's the point of the nuclear arsenal.

(Terror issues addressed in the other thread.)

[Woden]

I totally agree. I think we won't see any nuke.