There is nothing magic in that sense in Earwa. At least nothing we are explicitly aware of.
If that's the case we're not having a discussion about anything. Everything is mundane.
I disagree there is no difference, but as with Jabberwock03, if that's your starting condition then there's nothing at all to discuss.
Everything is conjecture ;p;
The books themselves aren't, or we simply have nothing to discuss.
If the books were clear, there'd be nothing to discuss as we'd all agree.
I'm going to assume this is not the case.
Other than what i pointed out you mean, which is the fact that it only works on Earwa, which just happens to be the only place in the universe that uses magic, and that the Inchoroi couldn't get it working until they had a brilliant Magi working for them.
Additionally, Achamian and Mimara have seen the No-God, described it, and no Mark is mentioned.
Fair point.
The only thing I can say is that what's inside and whats visible on the outside are not the same? I don't think most sorcery is visible through solid walls, except chorae.
Also, some theories postulate that the No-God very much worked on other worlds, though I'm not a fan of this line of thinking.
Ah, conjecture about what's in the books and how things work. lol. I agree that some postulate that, and I don't agree either. It doesn't jive with how I see thigns working in Earwa.
I'd argue that makes magic more likely, not less, considering that removing chorae means more magic can be used - whereas the use of chorae are a special kind of negative-magic that one might argue doesn't count. But irrelevant since the chorae are removed.
The Chorae are either protection or part of the System.
Could be both.
The latter case would mean that without the Chorae the No-God can't function, which is evidently not so.
Or that it requires sorcery but not necessarily aporetic/chorae.
Again, all I can say is that maybe the mark wasn't visible as whatever was magical was contained within.
Though my only issue with this is that then there's not reason for it not to have worked on other wolds, which I find confusing.
I assume grafting works on mundane knowledge of fancy genetic engineering. Noteworthy that no matter how smart, and born with the ability to see the onta, Kellhus was unable to do sorcery until taught.
Until the Grafting the Inchoroi couldn't use sorcery at all, even if taught. They took Nonmen prisoners, seduced the Aporitics, they had access to teachers, and the Grafting was still required. By your own definition they did something mundane that created magical results, i.e. the ability to use sorcery.
Nah, see below. I explained it neatly.
To me, genetic manipulation and augmented sensory inputs via technology is mundane in a way that creating energy and matter from nothing and manipulating the world with thoughts is strictly magical. Like being able to change your eyes so that you can see infrared light (mundane) - this doesn't let you control the heat and reverse entropy with your thoughts (magic).
I also feel you're confusing Earwa and our world in your arguments. In Earwa, Tekne and sorcery are both mundane. They are explicitly allowed by the Earwan laws of nature. In our world, we presume (which is the right thing to do until exhaustively proven otherwise) that sorcery is disallowed, "magic", using your terminology.
I don't think I am, but I think my terminology is confusing to you.
But if you think that magic and technology are the same in Earwa, there's nothing at all to discuss, and I'm not entirely sure what you've been debating for or against. If there's nothing to distinguish magic from not-magic, then whether I call the IF magic or not magic, its inconsequential, and we are in agreement.