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The Unholy Consult / Re: Bakker, font sizes and the ultimate mic drop
« Last post by Tivadar on August 20, 2020, 07:23:03 am »
Good to read you guys too  :)

You may be right Wilshire. But I'm going to check other hardcovers at the book store and see if any other recent books have done it.
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The Unholy Consult / Re: Bakker, font sizes and the ultimate mic drop
« Last post by Wilshire on August 19, 2020, 10:50:59 pm »
Bakker uses font styling to great affect throughout. Its something that I think many authors just don't bother with and its one more reason why TSA are great books (and incidentally might be why the audiobooks are meh).

So for Final Page shenanigans - possible. I would suspect that it's something closer to a correspondence of cause and/or the world conspiring.
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The Unholy Consult / Re: Bakker, font sizes and the ultimate mic drop
« Last post by Madness on August 19, 2020, 10:02:58 pm »
Lol, I miss you, good sir :).
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The Unholy Consult / Bakker, font sizes and the ultimate mic drop
« Last post by Tivadar on August 19, 2020, 06:26:41 pm »
So he specifically told the hardcover publisher to make sure the last line of TUC was on the last line of the right hand page, right?

Same reason he put an EMORMOUS glossary in the back? So our brains would fool us into thinking there's more story to come when we got to salt and butchery?

That's the crash space, right? By doing that, he KNEW that, even despite his telling us hundreds of times,  that there is no meaning, that every character ends up in oblivion, our adorable human heart-minds would, without us knowing it, cheat our perception so that when we were 451 pages in, appalled, engrossed, terrified, that even then our minds would be saying 'Holy cow, I know there's a glossary in the back, but still, things have to wrap up soon. How does it end in a satisfying fashion?'

Which is to say: How does the story end in a way that tells me, Yes Dear Reader, all of this means something. Maybe not much, maybe something awful. But this story, this universe, this life, means SOMETHING, right Bakker? Right, me?

No.

On that last line of Page 451, Bakker did exactly what he said he would do:

He reached right out of the book and made us actually FEEL the ultimate fucking horror:

There Is No God.



Maybe you guys have already been here this whole time and I'm just spouting the bleeding obvious. Either way, this thought hit me like a thunderbolt yesterday. I thought about the ending, then I thumbed through the book, and I couldn't believe my eyes.
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General Earwa / Re: [TUC Spoiler] Esmenet and the JE
« Last post by H on August 12, 2020, 12:08:50 pm »
I give up, who?
To me, it reads as if I description of Mimara.  Especially the part about having a relationship with the "unchangeable Being" (the Cubit) and that she "ministers" by what is right (the judgement, hence the Judging Eye).
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General Earwa / Re: [TUC Spoiler] Esmenet and the JE
« Last post by TaoHorror on August 11, 2020, 10:22:07 pm »
Since we are sort of talking about the Judging Eye here:

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In the mediator, then, this consciousness frees itself from action and enjoyment so far as they are regarded as its own. As a separate, independent extreme, it rejects the essence of its will, and casts upon the mediator or minister [priest] its own freedom of decision, and herewith the responsibility for its own action. This mediator, having a direct relationship with the unchangeable Being, ministers by giving advice on what is right.

Who does that sound like?

I give up, who?
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General Earwa / Re: [TUC Spoiler] Esmenet and the JE
« Last post by H on August 06, 2020, 08:12:48 pm »
Since we are sort of talking about the Judging Eye here:

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In the mediator, then, this consciousness frees itself from action and enjoyment so far as they are regarded as its own. As a separate, independent extreme, it rejects the essence of its will, and casts upon the mediator or minister [priest] its own freedom of decision, and herewith the responsibility for its own action. This mediator, having a direct relationship with the unchangeable Being, ministers by giving advice on what is right.

Who does that sound like?
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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Esmenet the Angelic Ciphrang
« Last post by H on August 06, 2020, 07:55:26 pm »
So why 100? Could be arbitrary, have to stop somewhere coming up with universals/foundations/First Principles, just a round number of the 100 perceived most important. Eerily reminiscent of the base human psychological states as defined by the Dunyain ( Fear Base -2 ) - looks like the nonmen made gods out of them.

Indeed, I mean, why any number?  Aesthetics?  Hard to say.  Really any number would be arbitrary, because if the "true" Universal is Infinite, there is no end to enumerating it.  So any number layered on top of that is completely arbitrary, nothing could approximate actual infinity, even infinity really.
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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Esmenet the Angelic Ciphrang
« Last post by TaoHorror on August 06, 2020, 07:06:23 pm »
This could also be seen as another example of the intersection or mediation of the Universal with/through the Particular (and the reverse as well).  Or, the Eternal and Temporal.  Ajokli is the Universal of deception, the behavior is the Particular instance of it.  Yet, the Particular fuels the Universal as well, feeds it.

This sort of question about how the Eternal could or would interact with the Temporal/Finite really runs though TAE, I think.

So why 100? Could be arbitrary, have to stop somewhere coming up with universals/foundations/First Principles, just a round number of the 100 perceived most important. Eerily reminiscent of the base human psychological states as defined by the Dunyain ( Fear Base -2 ) - looks like the nonmen made gods out of them.
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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Esmenet the Angelic Ciphrang
« Last post by H on August 06, 2020, 04:56:40 pm »
This could also be seen as another example of the intersection or mediation of the Universal with/through the Particular (and the reverse as well).  Or, the Eternal and Temporal.  Ajokli is the Universal of deception, the behavior is the Particular instance of it.  Yet, the Particular fuels the Universal as well, feeds it.

This sort of question about how the Eternal could or would interact with the Temporal/Finite really runs though TAE, I think.
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