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Literature / Re: Yearly Reading Targets 2021
« Last post by The P on February 15, 2021, 03:38:48 pm »
Legend by David Gemmell

Man, what a great book.  I'm not sure why I never read it before.  Maybe when I heard about it I turned up my nose at it being 80s heroic fantasy.  Shame on me, if so.  It is maybe a little dated, but not much.  The world-building is slight, but for the most part it's a very focused setting, so the far details don't matter much.  I expected the main hero to be the drive, of course, the legend, but it seemed like nearly every character had a gut-wrenching heroic moment.  Gemmell achieves a lot in a relatively short book.  Plenty of poignant lines about being a man and doing the right thing, etc.  Teenage me would have called it his favorite book perhaps, adult me still likes it an awful lot.
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This really resonates with me. The "hard problem" is only "hard' if one insists that there is only one way to view the issue, that way being the materialist approach.
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General Misc. / Re: Crash Space or just politics?
« Last post by Wilshire on February 15, 2021, 01:45:18 pm »
Still just politics. I think crash space / the Semantic Apocalypse is still a ways off. Definitely though we get to peek into the black mirror and see what kind of stupidity can be fueled with social-media mob mentality coupled with desperation and a misplaced sense of duty.

The time/distance from phone to brain is still too great. Once we start wiring our devices into our nervous systems and sensory organs, Crash Space will come hurtling towards us. Its the difference between now where you can surround yourself online with only things you agree with, and in the future when you can actually just change setting on your HUD to only see the parts of physical reality you're interested in.
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General Misc. / Re: Quotes
« Last post by sciborg2 on February 13, 2021, 07:13:49 am »
In the pre-modern world, when people wrote about the past they were more concerned with what the event had meant. A myth was an event which, in some sense, happened once, but which also happened all the time. Because of our strictly chronological view of history, we have no word for such an occurrence, but mythology is an art form that points beyond history to what is timeless in human existence.
 -Karen Armstrong

Myths are things that never happened but always are.
 -Sallustius

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Literature / Re: Piranesi by Susanna Clarke
« Last post by SmilerLoki on February 10, 2021, 04:09:48 pm »
Its called "Fantasy of Manners" and/or "Slice of Life", which are 'sub-genres' or classifications of fantasy wherein little happens - the focus being on the characters/relationships rather than anything actually happening.
Unfortunately, there is also very little characterization happening. All of the relationships have almost no progression, and are themselves rather milquetoast. It's realistic (real life is short on serious drama), but this is the less often encountered sort of realism that's in fact bad for fiction. It's simply boring, and one of the things people try to escape by reading entirely made up books.

It is, though, done by choice in JS&MN, of this I have no doubt. The book is just too well-written for Susanna Clarke not seeing it. In the end, it's what she wants to write, which is the best point of view an author can have. Writing should first be for whoever's writing, and only after that for others, that's how we actually get good books. It's also why even very good books will never be for everybody.
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Literature / Re: Piranesi by Susanna Clarke
« Last post by Wilshire on February 10, 2021, 03:27:35 pm »
Its called "Fantasy of Manners" and/or "Slice of Life", which are 'sub-genres' or classifications of fantasy wherein little happens - the focus being on the characters/relationships rather than anything actually happening.

I loved JS/MN despite missing much of it in a car ride while it was playing (it put me to sleep). The parts I was awake for were great though, but therein lies the rub lol. In my estimation the JSMN would have been improved by removing half of it. If was was reading a physical copy, I probably would have been skipped 10's of pages at once looking for plot.

I haven't read Piranesi, but it seems that's just Clarke's writing style. As such, I'll probably skip it.
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General Q&A / Re: (TAE Spoilers) Ordeal before or after
« Last post by Wilshire on February 09, 2021, 02:04:54 am »
There's a lot of "history repeats itself" or very nearly so, I think its probably central to either the storytelling narrative or part of the mystery still locked within the pages. The parallels of the two ordeals are myriad, and since TDTCB we were given the thought that there may be some kind of looping mechanism - or some other strangeness - given that it seems "that which happens before determines what happens after" is partially false.

As for Nonman-Sranc children being related to the Dunyain, I'm pretty skeptical as well. But similarly, as H said, a Nonman-Human child being intertwined with Anansurimbor line seems extremely likely, and the Anasurimbor family obviously plays an important role in the Dunyain lineage.
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General Misc. / Re: Quotes
« Last post by sciborg2 on February 08, 2021, 11:56:44 pm »
"At a time when over the whole world a nameless drama is taking place and when men are fighting each other without any idea why because they’ve never had the courage to go down into the depths of the drama of their consciousness, this is not the time to destroy a spirit who has never had any other idea than to bring to light the drama of his consciousness in order to teach others to recognize all their own interior enemies so as to destroy them.

The enmity that each man harbours in himself, of himself towards himself."
   -Antonin Artaud
 
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Literature / Re: Piranesi by Susanna Clarke
« Last post by H on February 08, 2021, 04:53:46 pm »
Pretty much my relationship with JS&MN, although I still hold it in high esteem. But there is just too many words there that do relatively little, and certainly nothing for story progression.

Yeah, I think this is pretty much exactly it for me.  The story just doesn't seem to "get" anywhere nor does it seem to reveal much in the process or journey.  Maybe I just miss it though, somehow.
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General Misc. / Re: Crash Space or just politics?
« Last post by sciborg2 on February 07, 2021, 10:35:05 pm »
I think it might be "just politics", as in something like this has happened before.

However technology is like gasoline on a grease fire.
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