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Philosophy & Science / Re: More stuff on the Simulation Hypothesis,,,
« Last post by sciborg2 on Today at 02:08:30 am »
Another take on "spiritual" simulation, would make a cool RPG:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Simulism/comments/6tgyvv/this_is_how_i_understand_reality/

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I think that our universe is a closed, accidental simulation inside of an endless nesting of yet to be fully secured universes; but, even if we all die and even if some deeper layer shuts off, we will be found and helped eventually.

Understanding what this means requires understanding what I think reality as a whole looks like, which can be built from three rules.

    Rule number one is that every conscious being exists as and by way of the ongoing, patterned operation of a substrate of some sort within a universe of some sort.

    Rule number two is that every universe exists as and by way of the ongoing, patterned operation of a substrate of some sort within a universe of some sort.

    Rule number three is that every ongoing, patterned operation is necessarily younger, slower, and smaller than the ongoing, patterned operation within which it is operating.

Basically, every mind is a simulation, every universe is a simulation, and looking outward through the layers will reveal ever older, ever greater simulations. Technically, rule one is just a specific case of rule two, and rule three is just a consequence of rule two. Also, I would like to point out that rule two necessarily generates an infinite regress, and, oddly enough, this is simpler than having a "base reality" at a random point. Getting rid of the infinite regress requires adding an ex nihilo rule, which would arbitrarily split existence into stuff that requires a substrate and stuff that does not. So, if someone did feel like using Occam's razor, it would actually advise that the idea of everything from nothing unnecessarily complicates the picture.
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Philosophy & Science / Re: Scientists identify vast underground ecosystem
« Last post by TLEILAXU on December 12, 2018, 06:58:53 pm »
Cooliorino. Let's start getting those enzymes.
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Literature / Re: Yearly Targets 2018
« Last post by Wilshire on December 12, 2018, 06:31:26 pm »
Paladin of Souls by Lois McMaster Bujold (47)
Wanted to make a new post rather than incrementing my last one because this book was beautiful. This is the first thing I've read by Bujold, and I'll agree with the accolades it has received over the years. Not really sure how it ended up on the hugo/nebula awardee list, as its really not scifi at all but oh well - she deserved it. Its really a great fantasy tale of a woman past her prime (which, in the world of medieval setting is apparently 40), trying to go on what amounts to "one last adventure". Dark-ish without being grim, its a pretty touching story, though I've found I do have quite a soft spot for stories that deal with death in a realistic yet positive way. It reminds me a bit of Gemmel, if Druss the Legend was an old lady rather than a man.

I struggled, litterally for years, whether or not to read Curse of Challion first, as it was published before and the events take place before. While I have now spoiled that book, Paladin of Souls did not suffer for it. What tipped me over the edge finally was when someone mentioned how Bujold writes very self-contained stories, so while this book is a direct sequel the events and most of the characters are new - if in function if not in fact.

All together a great story with many touching moments.
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Philosophy & Science / Re: Scientists identify vast underground ecosystem
« Last post by Wilshire on December 12, 2018, 06:02:35 pm »
Lets go exploring and kill off the local fauna with disease!

But seriously, that's pretty cool. Seems there's always something else to discover, eh?
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Philosophy & Science / Scientists identify vast underground ecosystem
« Last post by sciborg2 on December 12, 2018, 07:40:28 am »
Scientists identify vast underground ecosystem containing billions of micro-organisms

Global team of scientists find ecosystem below earth that is twice the size of world’s oceans

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The Earth is far more alive than previously thought, according to “deep life” studies that reveal a rich ecosystem beneath our feet that is almost twice the size of all the world’s oceans.

Despite extreme heat, no light, minuscule nutrition and intense pressure, scientists estimate this subterranean biosphere is teeming with between 15bn and 23bn tonnes of micro-organisms, hundreds of times the combined weight of every human on the planet.

Researchers at the Deep Carbon Observatory say the diversity of underworld species bears comparison to the Amazon or the Galápagos Islands, but unlike those places the environment is still largely pristine because people have yet to probe most of the subsurface.
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Philosophy & Science / Re: Peter Watts: Conscious Ants & Human Hives (video)
« Last post by SmilerLoki on December 12, 2018, 12:31:43 am »
Well, I'm not buying the "tape worm" explanation.  Rather, consciousness is more akin to a UI, a user interface.  Not just a front-end though, but one that can feed back to the sensory system.  That is, an ant is not capable of modifying it's own behavior to the same extent that a human can.  That is a possible role for our "expanded" consciousness.  Note, that consciousness is limited, which makes perfect sense in this case, or else we'd be in a never-ending feedback loop.
That was the first refutation I had in regards to the main idea of Blindsight.
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Philosophy & Science / Re: More stuff on the Simulation Hypothesis,,,
« Last post by sciborg2 on December 11, 2018, 06:24:52 pm »
If you want Simulation + Soul see the Peer-to-Peer Hypothesis thread.  ;)

On decisions made before we are aware of them...this is more controversial as I recall some writing on it comes down to certain interpretations. Not to mention what a 'decision" is. IIRC even Dennet was critical of this sort of research but that may have been just the original Libet stuff everyone quotes.

As to everyone watching you, and your soul (whatever that is) being caught let me just quote the great Grant Morrison:

"You've become lost in game disguised as Everything. Try to remember."
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Philosophy & Science / Re: Peter Watts: Conscious Ants & Human Hives (video)
« Last post by H on December 11, 2018, 01:55:44 pm »
+1 ... and yes, I meant mesmerized  :D

But you're right, my misspelling may be more relevant than what I meant. Always wanted to be a tape worm, looks like I've been one all along  :D

Well, I'm not buying the "tape worm" explanation.  Rather, consciousness is more akin to a UI, a user interface.  Not just a front-end though, but one that can feed back to the sensory system.  That is, an ant is not capable of modifying it's own behavior to the same extent that a human can.  That is a possible role for our "expanded" consciousness.  Note, that consciousness is limited, which makes perfect sense in this case, or else we'd be in a never-ending feedback loop.
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Philosophy & Science / Re: Peter Watts: Conscious Ants & Human Hives (video)
« Last post by TaoHorror on December 11, 2018, 11:47:38 am »
I've now seen the video and can absolutely recommend it. If anything, it's way more entertaining than a lot of movies I've watched in the past few years.
+1 ... and yes, I meant mesmerized  :D

But you're right, my misspelling may be more relevant than what I meant. Always wanted to be a tape worm, looks like I've been one all along  :D
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Philosophy & Science / Re: Peter Watts: Conscious Ants & Human Hives (video)
« Last post by SmilerLoki on December 11, 2018, 11:41:14 am »
I've now seen the video and can absolutely recommend it. If anything, it's way more entertaining than a lot of movies I've watched in the past few years.
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